michael Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 "No, time for you f-off and stay there." Aww bless, have you been waiting to do this for a while? Doesn't quite work though... have another go later maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DevilsAdvocate Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Aww bless, have you been waiting to do this for a while? Doesn't quite work though... have another go later maybe? Just quoting you Michael, actually I agree with your original posting. Roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 Just quoting you Michael, actually I agree with your original posting. Roy Oh yes, I know you are quoting me, just slightly out of context at present and without any real impact, as I said it might work later though so keep an eye on things Glad we are in agreement on the original post though... although I'm not sure I actually meant it in anything more than a very tongue in cheek way so don't quote me on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DevilsAdvocate Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Oh yes, I know you are quoting me, just slightly out of context at present and without any real impact, as I said it might work later though so keep an eye on things Glad we are in agreement on the original post though... although I'm not sure I actually meant it in anything more than a very tongue in cheek way so don't quote me on it I'm now going to read all of your postings, starting with number one. just hold your breath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 actually I agree with your original posting. Roy It just so happened his post followed a link to an story of interest, not just a random statement about women not being able to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Am I the only one getting confused with this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DevilsAdvocate Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 It just so happened his post followed a link to an story of interest, not just a random statement about women not being able to vote. Charlotte, that thread was obviously 'tongue in cheek' Oh and you never did get back to me re: your 'breeding' reply :) Roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannhauser Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 It does say that the idea can work both ways though - that employers can choose whether to employ one over the other. Nobody's listening. The opening paragraph has activated the "It's -PC-gone-mad-I-tell-you" program, which, once executed, can only be halted by a night's sleep or a thread about Top Gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Charlotte, that thread was obviously 'tongue in cheek' Oh and you never did get back to me re: your 'breeding' reply :) Roy What was the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DevilsAdvocate Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 What was the question? Well I've 'morphed' the avatars and the results don't look too promising, sorry ! Roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DevilsAdvocate Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Well I've 'morphed' the avatars and the results don't look too promising, sorry ! Roy Anyway, lets be honest with each other, discrimination, be it Race, ability or sex are a key if not vital aspects of certain jobs. One 'ism that is grossy undervalued is 'Pragmatism' Roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 Nobody's listening. The opening paragraph has activated the "It's -PC-gone-mad-I-tell-you" program, which, once executed, can only be halted by a night's sleep or a thread about Top Gear. It's lucky I didn't go for this one then... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1029526/How-women-equal-men-Firms-reveal-gender-pay-gap-CAN-discriminate-men.html Harman vows to force through 'true equality' in the workplace as row rages over plans to discriminate against white men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DevilsAdvocate Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 It's lucky I didn't go for this one then... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1029526/How-women-equal-men-Firms-reveal-gender-pay-gap-CAN-discriminate-men.html The 'Daily Mail' - you're in 'blue rinse' territory there Roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Nobody's listening. The opening paragraph has activated the "It's -PC-gone-mad-I-tell-you" program, which, once executed, can only be halted by a night's sleep or a thread about Top Gear. Indeed - its a non-story: employers, choose the right person for the job, be it man, woman, living or dead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy-No-Knee Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 They would increase fairness and diversity and help Britain compete in the global economy by being more open, she told MPs. "A society which is equal and fair is one which is more at ease with itself," she added. The plans would also bring together all previous discrimination law into a single piece of legislation which she said would cut red tape for business. Allowing positive discrimination would help organisations such as the police better reflect the communities they serve by recruiting more female and ethnic minority officers, said Ms Harman Socialism looks OK on paper and as theoretical concept, but it cannot ever succeed when faced with human nature and the fact that we are not and never will be created equal, there will always be leaders and followers, there will always be different levels of ability and there will always be different levels of need. The Utopian dream of one size fits all doesn't exist and hopefully we will soon see the end of this mad experiment and will return to the natural order of letting the best person for the job GET the job!!! At the end of the day if 15 people apply for 1 job (be it in the Police as in the example or Fire Service or where ever) I would be happy knowing that the best applicant got the job, and not the one that was needed to 'balence the books'!!! But if, for example, a headmistress wanted to discriminate in favour of a male teacher to balance an all female team that would be allowed too. And as for letting women breast feed in public........ /vbb/images/smilies/bbcode_shock.gif Crack on I say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DevilsAdvocate Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Socialism looks OK on paper and as theoretical concept, but it cannot ever succeed when faced with human nature and the fact that we are not and never will be created equal, there will always be leaders and followers, there will always be different levels of ability and there will always be different levels of need. The Utopian dream of one size fits all doesn't exist and hopefully we will soon see the end of this mad experiment and will return to the natural order of letting the best person for the job GET the job!!! At the end of the day if 15 people apply for 1 job (be it in the Police as in the example or Fire Service or where ever) I would be happy knowing that the best applicant got the job, and not the one that was needed to 'balence the books'!!! And as for letting women breast feed in public........ /vbb/images/smilies/bbcode_shock.gif Crack on I say... To put it in a nutshell cliche, life is not fair. Anyone who disagrees - it's true, accept it because you can't change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 She said firms should be able to choose a woman over a man of equal ability if they wanted to - or vice versa.Seems to me that firms will be able to positively discriminate in favour of men over women too. So what's her point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I think the point is that at the moment if either a man or a woman or a member of a particular race feels that they have been discriminated against, they are all equally entitled to take legal action. As I see it, this legislation would say that legally, a woman could still take legal action if they felt they were being discriminated against, but a man could not sue an potential employer for the same offense. Effectivey, men can be discriminated against but have no legal comeback. Putting a positive spin on it, hopefully its one step towards going back to a society where no one is allowed to sue anyone else at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Socialism looks OK on paper and as theoretical concept, but it cannot ever succeed when faced with human nature and the fact that we are not and never will be created equal, there will always be leaders and followers, there will always be different levels of ability and there will always be different levels of need. The Utopian dream of one size fits all doesn't exist and hopefully we will soon see the end of this mad experiment and will return to the natural order of letting the best person for the job GET the job!!! At the end of the day if 15 people apply for 1 job (be it in the Police as in the example or Fire Service or where ever) I would be happy knowing that the best applicant got the job, and not the one that was needed to 'balence the books'!!! And as for letting women breast feed in public........ /vbb/images/smilies/bbcode_shock.gif Crack on I say... What a wonderful reply to a classic Michael post. Blair wanted women in his government, he got them, and she is typical of what you get when you tick the gender / colour / sexual preference boxes, rather than than the common sense, statesman and ability ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Where DA go ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7474801.stm Isn't this just a perfect example of why women shouldn't be allowed to do important jobs though? I'd say its human nature to be predjudiced and maintain status quo, so unpopular measures like this are necessary for a fairer society and to further distance us further from our neanderthal past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyP Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Where DA go ? Not that I'm particularly bothered that he's gone, just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 banned thank god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Where DA go ? Doesn't seem to be anything too "contentious" in his recent posts so what's gone on then? Mods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewOW Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I'd say its human nature to be predjudiced and maintain status quo, so unpopular measures like this are necessary for a fairer society and to further distance us further from our neanderthal past. Just for your info, the Neanderthals were a different species to Homo Sapiens, and either became extinct or 'blended' (bred) in with the stronger species IIRC. Then again, society has progressed in leaps and bounds over the last 100 years, but maybe not always in the right direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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