Benyon Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Im looking at buying some new wheels, Is there any ride difference between 17" and 18" alloys? Also what would i get for my facelift standard alloys Few scuffs and scrape's but not very bad and all 4 decent tyres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Depends how you drive. Everyone will come on saying that 18s will ruin the handling. IMO 99% of them don't have the experience of driving the car on the edge, in both sizes, to comment. I don't drive my car particularly hard, just the odd spirited drive. The 18's will have made a difference to hard cornering but i don't drive close enough to the edge to notice. One very important thing is to get your geometry setup if you do change size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I didnt find any, but there is a slight weight difference even if the wheels weigh the same because of the extra amount of tyre. Handling wise slightly different but doesnt ruin the handling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMagic Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 It's a big heavy RWD car, more width is always good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxluc Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I think you won't feel any difference on the road ... on track maybee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Depends how you drive. Everyone will come on saying that 18s will ruin the handling. IMO 99% of them don't have the experience of driving the car on the edge, in both sizes, to comment. 17's are better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 It's a big heavy RWD car, more width is always good! Nope...too wide and the car will become dangerous in the wet where it will float on the puddles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Depends how you drive. Everyone will come on saying that 18s will ruin the handling. I have 18s and drive like a wally (On a private track) and i really dont see a problem, They look good too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benyon Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 I was looking at somthing like the two in the links, I would prefer 17's as there are loads of speed bumps and crap condition roads here +tyre cost. However as mentioned 18's look better. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/17-ALLOY-WHEELS-TOYOTA-MR2-STAGGERED-WHEELS-8-9_W0QQitemZ120270208576QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120270208576&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/18-ALLOY-WHEELS-TOYOTA-SOARER-3-0-GT-SUPRA_W0QQitemZ120271477776QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120271477776&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 To maintain the rolling radius, 17s have a bigger sidewall than 18s, bigger sidewall means more shock absorbtion, better ride. Its the offset that generally destroys the steering/handling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benyon Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 Thanks for all your input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I think the general consensus is that 17"s obviously handle better but the trade-off in having 18"s for appearance is worth it. Then onto 19"s is mostly a because the handling definately suffers. If thinking of 20"s then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benyon Posted June 13, 2008 Author Share Posted June 13, 2008 Hmmm its a tough one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) Its not the handling that suffers with increase in diameter, its the ride, handling suffers with offset and width, tramlining etc. Also heavier rims generally mean an increase in unsprung weight, again poor ride. But yeah bigger rims look alot better up to a point Edited June 13, 2008 by Swampy442 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CoolsBlue Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 i got me 17" original size rims and not much difference, 1" difference round the rim...and it fill the arch pretty well, would of had 18"s but couldnt find a set i wanted in 18"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Its not the handling that suffers with increase in diameter, its the ride, handling suffers with offset and width, tramlining etc. Also heavier rims generally mean an increase in unsprung weight, again poor ride. But yeah bigger rims look alot better up to a point The handling does suffer too as when turning a corner there is not the same amount of sidewall to flex to keep more of the tyre on the road. I know the reasons why 17's are better than 19's etc for cornering but i also know that most people won't be able to tell the difference. They will in the ride comfort and road noise though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 I think the general consensus is that 17"s obviously handle better but the trade-off in having 18"s for appearance is worth it. Then onto 19"s is mostly a because the handling definately suffers. If thinking of 20"s then I would be happy to slow down abit for 20s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMagic Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Nope...too wide and the car will become dangerous in the wet where it will float on the puddles. Seriously, heard that a million times before and yes it makes a small difference but the standard 17's aren’t exactly slim anyway. It's a silly debate IMO, I hear the same thing on all forums and tbh with the right set of wheels are you are doing is improving on OEM. Why do F1 cars have big wide wheels if skinny is better????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Seriously, heard that a million times before and yes it makes a small difference but the standard 17's aren’t exactly slim anyway. It's a silly debate IMO, I hear the same thing on all forums and tbh with the right set of wheels are you are doing is improving on OEM. Why do F1 cars have big wide wheels if skinny is better????? Its much better to have narrow tyres in the snow and wet. U never seen a 1.0l corsa go up a hill you couldn't? I have The problem is most people assume that making the tyre wider gives a bigger footprint area when it doesn't. To be fair, there is no debate on the facts buddy. The facts are the facts, the only debate is when people don't know the facts Its alllllll physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMagic Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Its much better to have narrow tyres in the snow and wet. U never seen a 1.0l corsa go up a hill you couldn't? I have The problem is most people assume that making the tyre wider gives a bigger footprint area when it doesn't. To be fair, there is no debate on the facts buddy. The facts are the facts, the only debate is when people don't know the facts Its alllllll physics. That is all back to front. Next I go drag racing I’ll be sure to run some Corsa 145 – 60 R 14’s then and see how the tiny footprint helps me get traction off then line. Who drives Supra’s in the snow anyway? I’m not talking about snow climbing, where talking about out right grip and handling, FACT skinny tires do not cut it, I really don’t think people like Ferrari have been getting it wrong all these years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Wide is not always better on UK roads. Sure at the strip and on the track and with appropriate geo changes it can be better, but since nobody who 'throws on a sweet set of rims' EVER checks the geo after, its generally worse. Stop thinking Gran Turismo and get back into the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 U never seen a 1.0l corsa go up a hill you couldn't? I have Thats only because i have an N/A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMagic Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 (edited) Wide is not always better on UK roads. Sure at the strip and on the track and with appropriate geo changes it can be better, but since nobody who 'throws on a sweet set of rims' EVER checks the geo after, its generally worse. Stop thinking Gran Turismo and get back into the real world. Right so you admit that a bigger surface area will give you more traction thanks. At not one point did I debate the effects of weather, however that’s all people talk about on here? More width and a softer compound tyre equals more grip that is simple physics. Edited June 14, 2008 by NeoMagic (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Right so you admit that a bigger surface area will give you more traction No i said that as long as the Geo is checked and adjusted to suit then it CAN give more traction At not one point did I debate the effects of weather, however that’s all people talk about on here? We live in England. More width and a softer compound tyre equals more grip that is simple physics. On a perfect road, we dont have many perfect roads in England, hence i said on a track, and hence my Gran Turismo comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 (edited) 17 to 18, none of us if the Geo is setup will feel the difference. Unfortunatly we dont and probably shouldnt push our cars to the limit on the road if going on the track the differences will be more noticeable. 19" and 20" are crap only an idiot would have those sizes Edited June 14, 2008 by Whitesupraboy2 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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