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I just cant beleive what heated debates out government can have about something SO unimportant!

 

We really have much more important things to deal with and I really think its pathetic all the protests and all the MONEY (OUR MONEY) and time spent dealing with this utter drivvle!

 

I am so livid with our government who dont deal with anything important like illegal immigrants or something else!

 

Why dont they spend their time better? If the govenmnet was like a big company, is some aspects it is a lot. I would have fired the whole bloody lot of monkeys.

 

Just my rant and 10 cents worth! :banghead:

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Just like they assume and make out in these anti-speeding campaigns that you're a murderer if you speed cause at 40mph you've got an 80% chance of killing that child and at 30mph you've got an 80% change the child will live. I see your point.

 

No wait, hang on, not once in all my time of speeding have I killed a child, so that assumption is wrong. You cannot assume speeding will equal someone getting killed. Yet in all the hunts I've seen the fox is always ripped apart. So that assumption is correct.

 

But I've never killed a fox! And now I've been banned for something I didn't do. Bollocks to the fox, I care not about it, my point is the act of banning *anything* implies what I said. It just happens to be fox hunting. Fishing next, as Dave says. And the comical thing is, the next time some twats want something banned because they don't like it/don't understand it/are scared by it/are trying to win votes, all you people who support the ban on fox hunting have to support this ban as well :) So if they ban fast cars, you're on their side - "ban it! I wanted something that didn't affect my life one jot banned, so hey, this can go too! No way can I justify threatening people's lives!" Same with 4x4 cars. Tut. Fishing? Out the door, a cruel cruel sport, undefensible if you supported banning the hunting of vermin. Pheasant shooting? End This Madness Now. I supported the hunting ban, therefore I'm against this too... Mouse traps? MOUSE TRAPS?! Ban them for a start!

 

Ain't it great when you don't have to think for yourself.

 

-Ian

 

so much for not getting involved in the debate lol

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Ban hunting, but give us back our shooting sports and everyone is happy. (I enjoy shooting paper targets by the way, never fired a shot against a living creature. I also dissaprove of hunting.)

 

The hunters can now hunt with rifles, even from horseback if they so wish. Rifles are far more humane, when used effectively, than a pack of dogs. (A hunter would have to pass some form of shooting assessment in order to be given a hunting permit. This would be to ensure you were accurate enough to kill what you were firing without causing suffering.)

 

Now this will spark up the gun saga again...

 

As far as the gun debate goes, guns are banned in this country and people are still being shot... The people perpetrating these acts are criminals, they break the law, if they are the kind of person that will kill another human being in cold blood, they are likely to care little about a ban on guns. Ergo, the ban on guns is ineffective by the very nature of the people they are trying to stop using them.

 

And last time I checked, an Ingram Mac-10 or AK47 have never been legal firearms in this country.

 

Just my two pennies. :)

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The reason it has been banned has nothing to do with cruelty and everything to do with class envy and hatred of the perceived "toffs" by Labour MP's.

 

If it was about cruelty there would not be an exception made for rats or for flushing the fox to be killed by a falcon etc.

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Well I think their may be more to banning Fox Hunting than just the Fox's welfare....think it is also a revolt against the upper classes...

 

I can see it from their point of view...yes shock horror and I actually read Country Life magazine would you believe (I Like oggling the centre spread of Lord Snots Daughter sprawled across a Louis 1V Studio couch or whatever mmmmm he he.)

 

It is a sad day for some country folk whos families go back centuries and this tradition that is so part of their life now has to stop...its almost like the Government taking our Supras away and saying we cant drive them anymore...and yes we kill animals..I killed a Deer last year.

 

The point is though.....I didn't mean to kill the deer!

 

So I am afraid I tend to be on the side of the Fox Rabbit Hare Badger...as they havent had any rights or say in the matter until now....I'm sure the Posh people will find something else to occupy their spare time!

 

I have always been against Blood Sports and always been an animal lover...cruelty to animals is just simply not right no-matter what the reason!

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So, Ian....

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that any law that forbids something is wrong because you shouldn't have to tell people not to do it?

 

Heeeheeee, I knew you'd pick me up on something like that, you argue like I do so I know neither of us is going to 'win' :D

 

I know you are anti-hunting, fine by me, but I also reckon you are anti-banning-things-for-the-sake-of-it so I'd say that taking that line of argument with me is more around the emotive hunting issue than the banning stuff in general issue. If it was a case of banning McDonalds because people get morbidly obese eating so much of it, I reckon you'd be on my side ;)

 

-Ian

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I hate the Toffs, maybe I should chase them around in a landrover and rip them apart myself, after all, they are a lower life form.

 

How about a superior life form came to our planet and looked upon us as vermin, would it be classed as sport if they killed us just for the hell of it?

 

Have we the right to kill pests such as foxes because they are killing farm animals, after all they were probably there long before the farms.

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...Fox Hunting is wrong....Upper Class or not....as is Illigal Dog fights in the East End...nothing to do with class they are both equally cruel and I'm surprised its taken this long to ban it!!!!

 

But I can also undestand the other arguments....you could say it's be like banning Bull Fighting in Spain...Fox Hunting is a traditional part of British culture like fish and chips....and theres not much Britain left some feel...but we still have Morris dancing...that hasn't been banned...YET but I think it should be next on Labours agenda lol!

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Good arguement, Ian. I like your style.

 

For the record, I'm only anti-hunting insofar as I'm anti-unnecessary-suffering.

What about hunting txtspk posters? I'd vote for that.

 

Yeah, fair point, I don't like the idea of things suffering unneccesarily either. Being minced by dogs is nasty. But then you see on wildlife progs lions moidering thingys. Horsey things. Y'know. Anyway, it looks nasty but no-one's banned lions from hunting yet :)

 

txtspk people are hopefully an evolutionary dead end. Technology should enhance intelligence, not make it redundant. Until then, hunt away ;)

 

-Ian

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That might be because Lions need to do that to eat. Or would you rather people send them McDonalds Happy meals instead ;)

 

Thats just cruelty to lions!!

 

 

If fox hunting is to be banned for being cruel and being the cause of unnecessary pain to innocent creatures then surely so should the mass farming transportation and slaughter of the animals you all eat!!

 

Farmed animals (most anyway) are housed poorly, squashed and cramped trampling each other, they never get to run free as a fox would and they never get a chance to escape (which a wild fox does have) They are often force fed, and the food they are given is damaging to not only them but to the humans that will then eat them!

 

So which animal(s) gets the better existence?

 

The fox that MAY be chased, MAY be slaughtered by a predator be it human, canine or hawk. Or MAY be squashed to the front of your Supra one night. OR that may get to live out its life free and wild.

 

Or the little lamb that gets dragged from its mother at birth force fed drugs to make it grow faster and that WILL die, with no chance of escape and be put on your plate for Sunday lunch!!

 

So before anyone (who eats meat anyway) thinks their morals are better than that of the hunters, think again you might be just as bad…and no you DON’T need to eat animals to survive so that arguments worthless too :p

 

....and no I don't, and never have been hunting, I love animals and personally couldn’t kill or maim one. I just feel there are many crueller things happening to animals that should be addressed.

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If fox hunting is to be banned for being cruel and being the cause of unnecessary pain to innocent creatures then surely so should the mass farming transportation and slaughter of the animals you all eat!!

I'm pretty sure that causing unnecessary suffering to those animals is already banned. Whether or not the law is enforced well enough is a different matter.

 

I'm not a vegetarian but I can understand why people are. I bet if everyone had to spend a day working at an abatoir there would be a lot more folks that wouldn't eat meat. Ignorance is bliss.

 

OTOH, killing animals for for food seems a lot more justifiable than killing them for sport.

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Chuckling at this thread. :D Who remembers the last time we discussed this? It got real nasty real fast. Nice to see a more level-headed discussion.

 

Just a few points:

1) I'm personally in favour of the ban. I think hunting with dogs is unecessarily cruel and outdated. I am, however, a totally hypocritical meat-eater who would go vegetarian in a blin kif I had to kill and prepare my own animals for food. For further reference I am dating a vegetarian who still eats fish "because they are ugly and have eyes on the side of their heads".

 

2) You WILL NOT ban McDonalds until I have used up my two books of vouchers.

 

3) If McDOnalds and BK fought it out in a pit then McDonalds would win through superior numbers. However the little bits of BK entrails left at the end would taste better.

 

4) Being mauled by dogs is nasty. I spent my teenage years in Great Yarmouth, so I know about these things :innocent:

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