BHP on all cars are less than it says on paper??

[toyotasupra1980]

Not really.

 

If you want to keep your car, then the best option is to fit the TT engine, forget the turbo kit IMO.

 

auto gear box is not the same as in the turbo, but I do an engine swap which will cost £2000, n/a engine taken out and tt engine put in £1000 - £1500 plus labour, then i have to get ecu, front mount intercooler, fuel pump, total maybe over £5000, i get the whifbitz turbo kit which will have all that stuff included and cost £2700 because i am on comission, pay around £1500 - £2000 to have it fitted except for the ecu, but i will get a greddy e-manage, rather go for my option C.

Edited May 31, 2008 by toyotasupra1980 (see edit history)

[carl0s]

the superchip was for a toyota celica gt4, but it was moddified and installed into my supra, dont know how, but hyeline performance managed to do it, and the afc neo does help, well it does for me.

 

The Supra's engine is so vastly different to a Celica GT4's engine that it's just not at all possible, unless what you're speaking about is a 8p (eight pence) resistor that's been wired in to make your car run lean, or something totally different altogether as others have said.

 

Sorry buddy but you don't have a "superchipped Supra", and you most certainly wouldn't have a Supra that'd been superchipped with a Celica superchip

 

If it was a TT, then you might have been sold a boost-cut controller/defender, and some mechanical method of increasing boost to go along with that, but for an NA it wouldn't be that.

 

The reason your car doesn't have the 40bhp above stock that you think it should have (which should probably be the title of your question), is just because you're thinking wrong. Those changes you have made will not add anything like 40bhp to an NA Supra.

[toyotasupra1980]

The Supra's engine is so vastly different to a Celica GT4's engine that it's just not at all possible, unless what you're speaking about is a 8p (eight pence) resistor that's been wired in to make your car run lean, or something totally different altogether as others have said.

 

Sorry buddy but you don't have a "superchipped Supra", and you most certainly wouldn't have a Supra that'd been superchipped with a Celica superchip

 

If it was a TT, then you might have been sold a boost-cut controller/defender, and some mechanical method of increasing boost to go along with that, but for an NA it wouldn't be that.

 

The reason your car doesn't have the 40bhp above stock that you think it should have (which should probably be the title of your question), is just because you're thinking wrong. Those changes you have made will not add anything like 40bhp to an NA Supra.

 

look thats fine i just wnated to understand more about it, but like i said just now i am going to get that whifbitz turbo kit for the n/a and be happy with 380 - 400bhp.

[miko_supra]

auto gear box is not the same as in the turbo, but I do an engine swap which will cost £2000, n/a engine taken out and tt engine put in £1000 - £1500 plus labour, then i have to get ecu, front mount intercooler, fuel pump, total maybe over £5000, i get the whifbitz turbo kit which will have all that stuff included and cost £2700 because i am on comission, pay around £1500 - £2000 to have it fitted except for the ecu, but i will get a greddy e-manage, rather go for my option C.

 

if you wanted to pay someone to do it. then Keron on here does a full TT conversion for usually around 2.5k or less which would include everything (part + labour). And you dont need to uprate the fuel pump as the TT and N/A ones are the same

 

 

edit: i doubt the turbo kit comes with "everything" needed either. you have to take into consideration that the head gasket will need changing as the n/a's compression wont support high boost on a turbo, an ecu and mapping.

Edited May 31, 2008 by miko_supra (see edit history)

[carl0s]

i am going to get that whifbitz turbo kit for the n/a and be happy with 380 - 400bhp.

 

and so you should be My TT might be about 380 and it's plenty fast enough most of the time. Could do with more power on warm days but that's all.

[jaymdee]

I'd have thought you were looking at newarer £10K for a good reliable NA-T set-up once you've factored all the elkectronics, mapping etc - same as for TT's being upgraded to Singles. There may be other stuff aswell, eg brakes, gearbox, diff etc

[Guest Angry Koala]

ah dude i am not going to argue with you[GRIN][/GRIN], both got different oppinions, you trust this guy nic, i trust my mates at hyeline

 

Ever noticed how hyeline are never associated with the Supra owners clubs m8 - no adverts, no forum presence? As I understand it from asking an awful lot of people with Jap performance machinery in South Wales, they really know their Skylines and I have even been told they are ok with Evo's/Scoobies but they've never once been recommended to me as having any Supra experience or knowledge of the engines or 'boxes.

 

Some of the stuff they've told you seems to back this up. I'm glad there's another Supra owner to join the numbers in South Wales please be aware that taking Hyeline's general Jap performance knowledge as gospel over the many combined years of specific Supra ownership and experience on here could see you not only having an underperforming car now, but having huge problems in the long run when bits they've "modified" from other cars knacker your pride an joy or they try to give you huge power increases that the na auto box and drivetrain won't cope with and leave you with a big bill.

[RiceRocket]

Have you put your Supra on Hyeline's dyno yet?

 

BTW are you paying to be a member cos we're about to lose contact with you!?

[RiceRocket]

Ever noticed how hyeline are never associated with the Supra owners clubs m8 - no adverts, no forum presence? As I understand it from asking an awful lot of people with Jap performance machinery in South Wales, they really know their Skylines and I have even been told they are ok with Evo's/Scoobies but they've never once been recommended to me as having any Supra experience or knowledge of the engines or 'boxes.

 

Some of the stuff they've told you seems to back this up. I'm glad there's another Supra owner to join the numbers in South Wales please be aware that taking Hyeline's general Jap performance knowledge as gospel over the many combined years of specific Supra ownership and experience on here could see you not only having an underperforming car now, but having huge problems in the long run when bits they've "modified" from other cars knacker your pride an joy or they try to give you huge power increases that the na auto box and drivetrain won't cope with and leave you with a big bill.

 

Good point.

 

I believe Hyeline can only be trusted as far as just servicing the Supra but they're Skyline specialists mostly (guy there worked for Nissan previously). I only used them for other stuff because I didn't want to travel to England. I'm not brilliant mechanically wise but they charged me an hour per corner in changing suspension (that right....?), and claimed gearbox had to be taken out to fit new clutch/flywheel (right again.....?).

[Jake]

they charged me an hour per corner in changing suspension (that right....?),

Doesn't sound wildly unreasonable TBH

and claimed gearbox had to be taken out to fit new clutch/flywheel (right again.....?).

Yep, that's right.

 

 

They can't "Superchip" the Supra ECU though - nobody can. If you've paid for a SuperChip you've been ripped off.

[Nic]

i get the whifbitz turbo kit which will have all that stuff included and cost £2700 because i am on comission, pay around £1500 - £2000 to have it fitted except for the ecu, but i will get a greddy e-manage, rather go for my option C.

 

What about fueling? Plus the other things that all add up if you want to do the install properly; BOV gaskets, lines, fittings, mapping, heat wrap, welding, etc. etc.

 

Seriously you could keep your NA and buy a TT for what it will cost you to do a 'proper' NA-T install.

Edited May 31, 2008 by Nic (see edit history)

[toyotasupra1980]

Good point.

 

I believe Hyeline can only be trusted as far as just servicing the Supra but they're Skyline specialists mostly (guy there worked for Nissan previously). I only used them for other stuff because I didn't want to travel to England. I'm not brilliant mechanically wise but they charged me an hour per corner in changing suspension (that right....?), and claimed gearbox had to be taken out to fit new clutch/flywheel (right again.....?).

 

they have not got the dyno up and running yet, but i do want to get mine done. dont get me wrong i have heard allot of bad things about hyeline,and i do take all of them into consideration, but they have been good to me for the past 5 years, even got me my first sports car which was the black Mitsubishi FTO which had all the trimmings from japan for £8000 took it to santa pod last year and ran into the high 13's, then i sold it to get the supra for £3850 with only 70,000 miles on it, really in good shape inside and out, had it for a year only changed the tires once and the brakes dont need changing for another 2000miles.

Edited May 31, 2008 by toyotasupra1980 (see edit history)

[toyotasupra1980]

Have you put your Supra on Hyeline's dyno yet?

 

BTW are you paying to be a member cos we're about to lose contact with you!?

 

been waiting for the pack since i joined, gave address and everything still no post.

[Scott]

been waiting for the pack since i joined, gave address and everything still no post.

 

you need to pay to join buddy. Under your name it says "membership due". You only joined in April and according to that you haven't paid up. You only get the members pack when you pay.

[toyotasupra1980]

you need to pay to join buddy. Under your name it says "membership due". You only joined in April and according to that you haven't paid up. You only get the members pack when you pay.

 

if that the case then this will be adios then, has been fun, learnt allot, met some interesting people on here, opinions and insights into modifications for the supra, guess all i can say is see you all around on the road in the uk and events, cant miss my supra, only one in the uk with the number plate J666EPH,everyone who has seen the number plate would know me:p, keep an eye out for banzai magazine the supra should be in there before the end of the year if all goes the way i plan.

[Scott]

And you don't want to pay a tenner to join?

[gaz1]

christ i can see a guy losing thousands for the cost of £10:(

[RiceRocket]

they have not got the dyno up and running yet, but i do want to get mine done. dont get me wrong i have heard allot of bad things about hyeline,and i do take all of them into consideration, but they have been good to me for the past 5 years,

 

Did they stop using it then?

Had mine on it a couple of years ago (321bhp at low boost:cool:)

 

Well if you're happy then its fine.

 

if that the case then this will be adios then, has been fun, learnt allot, met some interesting people on here, opinions and insights into modifications for the supra,

 

Come on chump, like mentioned it's just a tenner for another year, use Paypal or post a cheque.

[Nic]

you trust this guy nic, i trust my mates at hyeline

 

Huh?

 

Bye then

[RiceRocket]

i have heard about the cams, was going get the jun-cams

 

Are Hyeline still trying to flog those?

[GazB]

[Scott]

 

Come on chump, like mentioned it's just a tenner for another year, use Paypal or post a cheque.

 

Another year? This is his first. He aint ever spent a tenner

[Tricky-Ricky]

What is it with these people? they come on here with big ideas, ask questions, and then argue with the advice there given:blink:

he obviously doesn't know his stuff, and put his faith in companies that want his money, and then doesn't want to pay a tenner for some more sensible info, FFS!

[Dyer864]

Hyeline ! ah don't mention those guy's to me, took my prelude vtec down there, said it's lacking power and slightly missing, i'd been driving it around for over a year, "steve" the so called expert took it for a spin and it broke down, funny never done that before,the ignitor switch has gone he later explains, picks the car up with bill for £175.00 , car drove exactly the same as before !! and many more cases of laceing their pockets, i know a guy whose spent over £15,000 with them on a scooby, it's more off the road than on. wouldn't trust them with a corgi car !! [ANGRY][/ANGRY]

[RiceRocket]

They do seem to have 'something' because there's guy taking his 35k NSX there! Was looking at a turbo install last I heard.