Mike B Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 Wasnt the car mapped on the GT35R, therefore fueling and ignition was spot on for that turbo. With the 4088R you let the ECU learn. True... but afr's were always spot on and I have manual control of ign timing. The 35R's turbine blade looked completely different. I know I'm about to get decended on by the mappers, but it's the same HKS system used in many different cars with many different turbos.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csa Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Maybe the gasket damaged it? saying that on the last 2 i broke i never had a gasket or antilag so it seems they may just be weak. When I lifted the current one off the manifold it had 2 metal gaskets with a "divider" in the middle. one of them was broken at the "divider" but it didn't seem that something had come off it. However the turbo looks exactly as the one in Mike's pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 When I lifted the current one off the manifold it had 2 metal gaskets with a "divider" in the middle. one of them was broken at the "divider" but it didn't seem that something had come off it. However the turbo looks exactly as the one in Mike's pictures Ahhh.. I thought Jamie had done away with gaskets? So that's another 4088 gone on that car? I see a 4088 pattern emerging! The divider you speak of is probably the gasket for the divided housings, as mine is a .82 non divided I put in a single non divided gasket, but these things are crap; the metal ridge compresses over time, then the bolts come loose and you get blow by.. when I came to take the ex housing off the manifold the bolts were nigh on finger tight! If you use a divided gasket with a non divided housing I would think it would leak from the get-go.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Oh no, looks exactly like mine, that's 2 R's gone now isn't it? Mine was a lot whiter than that around the tips of the blades IIRC Was thinking of replacing mine with a GT4094R if I ever needed to again, but having 2nd thoughts now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csa Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 yep. thats the 3rd one down. thinking of swapping to a T67 now (non dbb though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
and1c Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Why not go with a Precision?? A Precision PT 70 GTQ would do the job admirably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 Oh no, looks exactly like mine, that's 2 R's gone now isn't it? Was thinking of replacing mine with a GT4094R if I ever needed to again, but having 2nd thoughts now. Yup, 2 r's down and the standard 4088's are like bugs on the windshield it seems , shame! Did you replace yours with another? If so.. sell it quick! yep. thats the 3rd one down. thinking of swapping to a T67 now (non dbb though) That's bad, I'm thinking the same.... Why not go with a Precision?? A Precision PT 70 GTQ would do the job admirably I'll go and have a look! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 Why not go with a Precision?? A Precision PT 70 GTQ would do the job admirably the website is half working but on every page in the top centre it hass the garrett logo, which means i may well end up with a 4088 and a precision sticker on the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Oh bugger! just about to fit one, but surely you can get it rebuilt with a different/stronger inducer for a fraction of the cost of replacing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Oh bugger! just about to fit one, but surely you can get it rebuilt with a different/stronger inducer for a fraction of the cost of replacing? Thats what I was thinking? I'm slightly annoyed too, looks like this turbo is not up to the job and I was about to purchase one of these soon, whats in between a GT35R/T61 and a T67 DBB thats reliable and watercooled preferably? A T67 will be too big for track unless were talking Marham:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Oh bugger! just about to fit one, but surely you can get it rebuilt with a different/stronger inducer for a fraction of the cost of replacing? I wouldn't be over worried Ricky, mine (precision)has done Marham, Brands hatch, lots of fast road and an afternoon of 600hp dyno pulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I wouldn't be over worried Ricky, mine (precision)has done Marham, Brands hatch, lots of fast road and an afternoon of 600hp dyno pulls. Have you checked it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 A T67 will be too big for track unless were talking Marham:rolleyes: I would like to see a T67 on a 3.4 stroker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Have you checked it yet? yes, just before Brands. Also quick checked with endoscope last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 yes' date=' just before Brands. Also quick checked with endoscope last week.[/quote'] Also worth noting that you run perm water/meth injection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveL Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 (edited) Sorry to hear about this mate... The two Whifbitz supras use PHR T61 and T62 turbos, mines been abused for nearly 2 years and Bens has done a few hours so far and we've not had any issues at all. Not trying to big up PHR, but I'm not sure if anyone's had any issues with them elsewhere. Edited May 29, 2008 by SteveL (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Not trying to big up PHR, but I'm not sure if anyone's had any issues with them elsewhere. Same with my 2nd hand PHR turbo. Its had plenty of stick from me including 2 step etc and I am sure Paul Whiffin gave it loads of stick when it was on his motor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I'd love to see a T67DBB, PHR S2+, GT4088R photo'd together with measurements etc by an independent, that would, I'm sure, help a lot of decision making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Joe!!! Not that independant - but probably the only one with the resources available I've never heard a good thing about the PHR Stage 2 though, it would be nice to see a car with that run properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkirby Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Looking towards a new tubby, I can't believe that there is so much difference between the units. I've read discussions on here about generic cartridge types and turbine/compressor blades + so forth... surely a lot of tubbies, hks in cluded must use similar parts to all the other mfr's.. "The HKS Signature Series Turbos are Garrett based, but have re-engineered compressor and turbine wheels along with specific A/R and trim levels to maximize power output." taken from; http://www.hksusa.com/products/?id=1993 it's hard to justify $3120 for a non BB unit.... I fancy a TO4Z, as it is recommended a lot, but the price for the spec looks over the top compared to garrett and BL. the to4z is a dual BB turbo http://www.aptuning.net/Garrett_Turbo_Chargers_p/garrett%20t04z.htm Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylestt Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I run the 67dbb .81AR on my street supra and absolutely love it!!!! I run the auto gearbox and i'm making just over 610whp at 26psi. Spoolup is absolutely awesome and it just keeps on pulling to redline!!! I have ran a few different turbos and i keep going back to this trusty unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveL Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Joe!!! Not that independant - but probably the only one with the resources available I've never heard a good thing about the PHR Stage 2 though, it would be nice to see a car with that run properly Do you mean that you've only heard bad things about it or that no-ones ever commented. If its the former then you should look at the US forum! I'm not aware of many suppliers of turbos who can justify research in the way PHR can.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 Oh bugger! just about to fit one, but surely you can get it rebuilt with a different/stronger inducer for a fraction of the cost of replacing? I'm looking at getting it rebuilt, but I'll prob buy a new one and sell this one when/if it gets fixed. It must be fixable... surely.. I hear nothing but good things about BL, has anyone ever had a failure - I can't remember! and PHR possibly TO4Z if I can get a decent price. Ironically the tubby still works fine with the edges chewed off.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike B Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 so where is a good place to start looking for a good price on a TO4Z do you think... any ideas..? my usual supplier doesn't do them... and the 4088R is repairable, but at cost and with shipping to the US it may not be worth it.. anyone recommend a good turbo builder in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Nic? also i think Ash has a good contact, might be worth a pm:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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