Any network experts?

[TRD3000GT]

Im having some serious greif trying to setup some kit.

 

Basically Ive got a client bridge to stick up high then a POE LAN cable that goes from that unti to an access point.

 

The unit going up a yacht mast is a EnGeneus EOC-3610S EXT Wireless High Power and High Gain Client Bridge/Access Point

 

http://www.faculty-x.net/noc-3610-ext.htm

 

and the access point is a 300mbps Pre-N Wireless Router

 

http://www.faculty-x.net/edi-300mbps_router.htm

 

I cant get this stuff working and its driving me crazy!

[JustGav]

Apart from the fact that it is pre-n stuff and not the official stuff means you are bound to run into some hassles.

 

BUT that aside, what are you trying to do? Both units appear to be AP's that support client-bridge, but the pre-n mix won't help matters.

[JustGav]

Hmmm,clue in price... £39.00 ex vat (£45.83 inc vat)

[TRD3000GT]

hmm.

 

Basically im trying to setup a long range wireless network to work on a yacht.

 

I want to stick thr EnGeneus thing up the mast and have a long POE network cable running from it to an access point that is password protected.

 

I idea is you come on board the yacht and can find the network and if you have the passowrd can conect to it.

 

After thats done when you search for available wireless networks you can use the long range client bridge up the mast.

 

make sense? i was sold the stuff and was assured its been done before and worked like a charm

[Thorin]

Although the "Pre-N" stuff should be standardised just not approved yet, I've found that Pre-N kit from one manufacturer will not play nice with Pre-N kit from another. I presume you can restrict the access point to just use b+g though?

[JustGav]

hmm.

 

Basically im trying to setup a long range wireless network to work on a yacht.

 

I want to stick thr EnGeneus thing up the mast and have a long POE network cable running from it to an access point that is password protected.

 

I idea is you come on board the yacht and can find the network and if you have the passowrd can conect to it.

 

After thats done when you search for available wireless networks you can use the long range client bridge up the mast.

 

make sense? i was sold the stuff and was assured its been done before and worked like a charm

 

Personally....stick the EnGeneus system on both sides.. Don't touch pre-n stuff no matter how hard they so called recommend it, the stuff on the market at the moment doesn't follow the true n-spec as it is.

 

A straight forward system like the engeneus one will do the job. You may want to use a slightly more directional/non-directional antenna depending on where you estimate the yacht will dock.

 

I would assume a 90/180 degree directional unit at the dock, and then a high gain omni on the yacht.

 

I'd stick with 802.11g stuff (although you might find the airwaves a bit busy), a is a much better option but won't have the distance you probably require.

[SatSport]

just out of curiousity what is the range for this? I take it it`s an omnidirectional setup?

[JustGav]

Although the "Pre-N" stuff should be standardised just not approved yet, I've found that Pre-N kit from one manufacturer will not play nice with Pre-N kit from another. I presume you can restrict the access point to just use b+g though?

 

Hmmm, you would have thought so... BUT 802.11n includes 2.4 AND 5ghz... all the stuff I've seen over here completely misses the 5ghz which is the one bit that would interest me.

[TRD3000GT]

just out of curiousity what is the range for this? I take it it`s an omnidirectional setup?

 

On the omni directional setup Ive been told it can pickup wireless networks in excess of 1KM away..

 

I tried it breifly in my kitchen and had over 20 hits ! Im sure Im now never going to have children though

[TRD3000GT]

Hmmm, you would have thought so... BUT 802.11n includes 2.4 AND 5ghz... all the stuff I've seen over here completely misses the 5ghz which is the one bit that would interest me.

 

The router has the choice to not use N so I think that sthe best method I dont have the time to be sending this stuff back!

[JustGav]

The router has the choice to not use N so I think that sthe best method I dont have the time to be sending this stuff back!

 

Try force it to G, BUT it is a home access point and not a commercial one, remember just because you have a high gain antenna on one end doesn't mean the entire system will work over the 1km run... It is a two-way system.

[Thorin]

Hmmm, you would have thought so... BUT 802.11n includes 2.4 AND 5ghz... all the stuff I've seen over here completely misses the 5ghz which is the one bit that would interest me.

 

Yeah that's one of the main advantages on Pre-N, the uncluttered 5ghz band that won't be affected by the microwave or central heating going off, or someone farting in the street outside. I've not seen any Pre-N kit that uses it either yet. I understand it's possibly still a year or more away still before the standard is finalized.

[JustGav]

Yeah that's one of the main advantages on Pre-N, the uncluttered 5ghz band that won't be affected by the microwave or central heating going off, or someone farting in the street outside. I've not seen any Pre-N kit that uses it either yet. I understand it's possibly still a year or more away still before the standard is finalized.

 

I've noticed that some of the US linksys stuff did have it...BUT that was on their own product site, so does a physical box exist.. I want 5ghz now damn it... I'm sick of sharing 13 channels with 400 people...

[Thorin]

I'm sick of sharing 13 channels with 400 people...

 

14 if your kit supports it

 

...except that you can only have 3 distinct channels without any overlap.

[carl0s]

So you have one of these long-range units on the top of the mast, and another one of those somewhere on land, creating a point-to-point link to bring the connection/internet/whatever it is you're trying to access onboard the yacht, and you then share that link over a regular small wlan onboard the yacht using the £39 wireless access point?

 

Is that what you're trying to do?

[carl0s]

p.s. I too would avoid any non-standard pre-anything stuff. It's just not worth the hassle. I remember how poor interoperability of 802.11b was in the early days, and wouldn't want that again.

[carl0s]

You're not expecting this long range unit to connect to a regular wireless network sat inside a house some distance away are you? The communication is two-way, there's no point sending a strong 600mw signal if you can't hear back 'cause the other end is transmitting at 100mw with regular indoor antennas from inside a building... or am I missing the point/off target?

[carl0s]

The only other problem I can see you might have is that you would want to disable DHCP of the £39 router, and just use its LAN ports so that you are using it as an Access Point rather than a NAT router, otherwise you would in effect be firewalled for connections originating from ashore.

 

So, if you use of of the £39 router's LAN ports for linking into the long-range box (don't plug anything into WAN), you will receive your IP address etc from the home network, provided you have disabled DHCP on the £39 box.

 

This might not be an issue if you're just wanting to access stuff from the yacht, rather than being able to connect to the units on the yacht from home/ashore.

[JustGav]

So you have one of these long-range units on the top of the mast, and another one of those somewhere on land, creating a point-to-point link to bring the connection/internet/whatever it is you're trying to access onboard the yacht, and you then share that link over a regular small wlan onboard the yacht using the £39 wireless access point?

 

Is that what you're trying to do?

 

I reckon so

 

p.s. I too would avoid any non-standard pre-anything stuff. It's just not worth the hassle. I remember how poor interoperability of 802.11b was in the early days, and wouldn't want that again.

 

Don't tell me you had the joys of the old symbol kit as well? I've actually still got an AP and two cards...

 

You're not expecting this long range unit to connect to a regular wireless network sat inside a house some distance away are you? The communication is two-way, there's no point sending a strong 600mw signal if you can't hear back 'cause the other end is transmitting at 100mw with regular indoor antennas from inside a building... or am I missing the point/off target?

 

Yeah, same way I read it

[carl0s]

I reckon so

Don't tell me you had the joys of the old symbol kit as well? I've actually still got an AP and two cards...

 

I'm not sure to be honest. I just remember all the unbranded/oem type stuff of that era being a nightmare. Mostly it would work without encryption, mostly, but things just got worse when you tried to turn on WEP