Anees Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Hi guys, I drive a tweaked e46 BMW 330D was my daily car as well as the mk2 Aristo I have. The car is around 300bhp with just over 400ft/lb torque and it has been 100% reliable so far. I have been looking at the BMW 335d, but I don't like the shape of the new 3 series and the coupe which is very nice is just too expensive. So I have been thinking about the 535D which has the same Twin Turbo engine as the 335d but because its been out a few years longer then the 335d is alot cheaper to buy. The 535d remapped would be around 340bhp with 520++ft/lb torque! I know a BPU Aristo would be around the 400bhp mark (not sure on torque) I was thinking that if a BMW 535D performed as well or better then a BPU Aristo or Supra then it doesn't make sense to keep both! Has anyone done any comparisons between a Supra and BPU performance wise? I know they are completely different cars and I am not sure about the interior in the BMW 5 series nor am I sure that I actually like the look of it but the performance would win me over. A friend of mine drove one a few months back and raved as his "blew the doors off a Audi RS4" which I find doubtful but you never know! Thanks, Anees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Apparently they're not even a match for an NA http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=127839&highlight=535D I find that a tad hard to believe personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike M Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 With the price of Diesel being more than V power now I know what i'd be getting shot of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Hi guys, I drive a tweaked e46 BMW 330D was my daily car as well as the mk2 Aristo I have. The car is around 300bhp with just over 400ft/lb torque and it has been 100% reliable so far. I have been looking at the BMW 335d, but I don't like the shape of the new 3 series and the coupe which is very nice is just too expensive. So I have been thinking about the 535D which has the same Twin Turbo engine as the 335d but because its been out a few years longer then the 335d is alot cheaper to buy. The 535d remapped would be around 340bhp with 520++ft/lb torque! I know a BPU Aristo would be around the 400bhp mark (not sure on torque) I was thinking that if a BMW 535D performed as well or better then a BPU Aristo or Supra then it doesn't make sense to keep both! Has anyone done any comparisons between a Supra and BPU performance wise? I know they are completely different cars and I am not sure about the interior in the BMW 5 series nor am I sure that I actually like the look of it but the performance would win me over. A friend of mine drove one a few months back and raved as his "blew the doors off a Audi RS4" which I find doubtful but you never know! Thanks, Anees I've got a DMS remapped 535d - 344bhp and 560lb/ft - It's laugh out loud quick. I mean seriously. I've out dragged the 5ltr V8 M5 up the A1, been neck a neck with an RS4 up the M58 and lost out to the V10 M5 from 80-140 leptons by about 2 car lengths. I use it every day for work. Takes about 85 quid to fill at the current prices (120.9/ltr) and returns around 34.8mpg, equating to 550 miles to a tank. IMO, there's no better commuter car out there for the money. I'll be changing soon, either for a 635d or another 535d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anees Posted May 23, 2008 Author Share Posted May 23, 2008 With the price of Diesel being more than V power now I know what i'd be getting shot of. I know what you mean! I really love my 330D but today I filled up and it was 130.9p/litre!!!! /vbb/images/smilies/bbcode_angry.gif The fuel economy is superb however and on a run I can get 50mpg+ and around 33 - 35mpg around town with a bit of motorway. With the cost of diesel at the moment that fuel economy advantage might not last. I've got a DMS remapped 535d - 344bhp and 560lb/ft - It's laugh out loud quick. I mean seriously. I've out dragged the 5ltr V8 M5 up the A1, been neck a neck with an RS4 up the M58 and lost out to the V10 M5 from 80-140 leptons by about 2 car lengths. I use it every day for work. Takes about 85 quid to fill at the current prices (120.9/ltr) and returns around 34.8mpg, equating to 550 miles to a tank. IMO, there's no better commuter car out there for the money. I'll be changing soon, either for a 635d or another 535d. Thanks My mate that drove the 535D that had the do with the RS4 also had the same DMS remap. I feel gutted that I never got to drive the thing! He still can not stop raving about it, says it is hands down quicker then any other car has has driven (mostly evos, scoobies and skylines). The thing that would put me off the 535D is the lack of a manual option, but I would have to drive it really to see what I think. Even in the Aristo I am not a fan of the autobox so I wouldn't want two auto cars. The thing I love about modern performance diesels is that its like having your cake and eating it. How do you find the car round the corners? Does it feel nose heavy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 My mate that drove the 535D that had the do with the RS4 also had the same DMS remap. I feel gutted that I never got to drive the thing! He still can not stop raving about it, says it is hands down quicker then any other car has has driven (mostly evos, scoobies and skylines). The thing that would put me off the 535D is the lack of a manual option, but I would have to drive it really to see what I think. Even in the Aristo I am not a fan of the autobox so I wouldn't want two auto cars. The thing I love about modern performance diesels is that its like having your cake and eating it. How do you find the car round the corners? Does it feel nose heavy? I'd agree with your friend - save for 911 Turbo's and the like, it's probably one of the best point-to-point cars out there for the money. The automatic box is a 6 speed with manual shift option, which I tend to use when going through the lanes, nice tap up or down. The gears are so well suited to the car though that it's really hard to fault, it's a constant wave of torque. As for the handling, that's interesting - the outright grip is great. You can put it into long sharpish bends and it has no right to come out the other side, but quick direction changes to hurt it a bit. Will easily keep up with hot hatches though. The stock TC is a bit invasive, the brakes are great and the power is very linear. It's a car that's very easy to drive quick but a bit harder to drive fast. When you choose to "go", though. Not a lot will stay with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anees Posted May 23, 2008 Author Share Posted May 23, 2008 Interesting....... Can you do more mods to make the car quicker or would 350bhp is about the safe limit? On my 330D I have uprated airfilter, catback exhaust, Allard intercooler and a few other bits and it has been rock solid since day one. It would be interesting to see how far the 535d could go? When I got the 330D remapped, the place I went to said that the engine could easily produce more power still well inside tolerences but the gearbox and drivetrain wouldn't handle it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 The engine is easily capable of taking more power, in fact, DMS had theirs running over 400bhp and over 700lb/ft, but it was taking it's toll on the autobox/transmission setup. That's rated to a safe 670lb/ft IIRC - so they run it was 560 to aid in the longevity. The only issue I've had with mine is a split hose from the turbo. £15 repair, DIY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Brett Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Im starting to wonder how i kept up with one in my N/A. Maybe he wasnt trying ? By chance i saw a 335D next to me at the lights the other day. I was turning left so couldnt have go, but he set off at a serious pace. Doubt i could of kept up with it. Even weirder bit about it was that it was almost silent. If i floor my car off the lights everyone knows about it as it makes an almighty row, but the 335D was quiet as a mouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Assuming similar acoustic exhausts, a turbo'd car is always going to be quieter than an N/A, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Yep. Add in the fact that BMW's are very refined, diesels are usually quieter (Audi R10 Le Mans Car?) ... but yeah, they shift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayman Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Is there any good forums for BMW guys? Like the BMW version of this place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 There's BMWLand or bm5w They're a bit chavvy or uptight lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim9000 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 The M5 (e39) must have been knackered! There's NO WAY you would out drag a decent M5....no way!!! Must admit it does sound nice tho!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 you need to have a go in a remapped one mate. The E39 M5; 394bhp and 369lb/ft The DMS E60 535d; 344bhp and 560lb/ft You really sure it was knackered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim9000 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I would have torched my M5 if a diesel out dragged me...but that torque does look awesome. I never had a diesel test me tho! Guess i was fortunate!!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I would have torched my M5 if a diesel out dragged me...but that torque does look awesome. I never had a diesel test me tho! Guess i was fortunate!!! lol Well, I'll be taking two prominent members of the forum out in it on Monday - I'll let them do the reporting for me I've got a stock (at the moment) TT6 VVTi, and the BMW smokes it from rolling starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fish Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Im starting to wonder how i kept up with one in my N/A. Maybe he wasnt trying ? By chance i saw a 335D next to me at the lights the other day. I was turning left so couldnt have go, but he set off at a serious pace. Doubt i could of kept up with it. Even weirder bit about it was that it was almost silent. If i floor my car off the lights everyone knows about it as it makes an almighty row, but the 335D was quiet as a mouse. for a comparsion...(im gonna get shot with this controversie )... a starlet gt, is able to creep up on a 330D even up to decent speeds, and ive been told that a GT will also pull from a supe n/a low down, so i doubt you could get near a 335D unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Well, I'll be taking two prominent members of the forum out in it on Monday - I'll let them do the reporting for me Take them out for a trip over to Leeds and you could make that 3 Angela wants an estate to replace her car at some point, going to have to look at turbo diesels I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 535d Estate Perfik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevansio Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 You'll need all that torque after we've had those bacon sarnies & it's dragging our fat @rses around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Speak for yourself ... .... I'm just in denial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anees Posted May 25, 2008 Author Share Posted May 25, 2008 Is there any good forums for BMW guys? Like the BMW version of this place? Yep, BMWLand has bee mentoned, but my personal favourite for BMW modding is Evotechnik. forum.evotechnik.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 Sounds great, apart from the cost of buying a 535d. Looks like a decent 535d with less than 60k miles sells for more than an equivalent m3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anees Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 I've had a look at the 535d and to be honest it is way to big for me! I thought the Aristo was big but the 535d is even longer and wider. The best car for me would be a 335d but that is way out of my price range at the moment, so I am going to stick with what I have (which I can't complain about! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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