and1c Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Or am I just being paranoid Sorry if this has already been posted, but if it has I couldnt find it and think it deserves more discussion Big Brother UK Read about it the other day but after reading up on it more its outrageous Even if the majority or people (myself included of course ) don't have anything to hide.... I just cant see in any way shape or form how this could be a good thing. A massive government database holding details of every phone call, e-mail and time spent on the internet by the public is being planned as part of the fight against crime and terrorism. Internet service providers (ISPs) and telecoms companies would hand over the records to the Home Office under plans put forward by officials. The information would be held for at least 12 months and the police and security services would be able to access it if given permission from the courts. The proposal will raise further alarm about a “Big Brother” society, as it follows plans for vast databases for the ID cards scheme and NHS patients. There will also be concern about the ability of the Government to manage a system holding billions of records. About 57 billion text messages were sent in Britain last year, while an estimated 3 billion e-mails are sent every day. Home Office officials have discussed the option of the national database with telecommunications companies and ISPs as part of preparations for a data communications Bill to be in November’s Queen’s Speech. But the plan has not been sent to ministers yet. Industry sources gave warning that a single database would be at greater risk of attack and abuse. Jonathan Bamford, the assistant Information Commissioner, said: “This would give us serious concerns and may well be a step too far. We are not aware of any justification for the State to hold every UK citizen’s phone and internet records. We have real doubts that such a measure can be justified, or is proportionate or desirable. We have warned before that we are sleepwalking into a surveillance society. Holding large collections of data is always risky - the more data that is collected and stored, the bigger the problem when the data is lost, traded or stolen.” ....continued Apart from the fact that the governments IT Project contractors are clearly useless and will probably never manage to even collate such a HUGE database successfully... If they do manage....how hard is it going to be to maintain and keep secure? Hopefully it will never come to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supradan Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Bt cant even get my broaband to work how the hell are they going to get this to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Lotus Notes mated with a Quango. Its bound to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Short answer...... Yes. Slightly longer answer; whilst the current Government are in power ....... Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Yes: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=151095 But we'll all be dead by the time EDS ever get it to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Read about this a few days ago... And figured it'd fail thanks to them recieving all of the spam the whole nation's getting I'm not too fussed about this, as if it did ever happen people will always find ways of getting around it (As those random people who do P2P do - Which I don't know anything about - As for GCHQ, I live practically next door to it, it looks nice, but each time I've driven past it I have never seen any spies... I think it's a farce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Heading ?!?!? Soon you won't be able to fart without someone issuing you a pollution notice and subsequent fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Yes: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=151095 But we'll all be dead by the time EDS ever get it to work. My company just bought them, so they'll be disolved and sold off shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 It wont be long till the film v for vendetta will be reclassified as a documentary on life in Britain It sucks big time and unless Labour are removed from power we are doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angarak Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 'dodgy' people would just invest in good encryption so its a pointless idea. But in answer to the original question - Yes we are already in a big brother state, you can't go anywhere without being seen somewhere on CCTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 My company just bought them, so they'll be disolved and sold off shortly.Got any cheap printers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 It'll never work with current technology, the sheer quantity of data will make it impossible. Even just basic logging will be unworkable. With 100K+ users, my place generates more than 10 gigabytes of compressed basic logs per day. Uncompressed for use, that's ~ 15 terrabytes per year for a very small subsection of society, with very little useful content! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Why does everyone always bring Big Brother into it! Hasn't anyone read 1984!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Are EDS in the frame for doing it then? I read the article but couldn't find their name mentioned.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Big Brother project - Excuse - Terrorism Fuel scam - Excuse - Pollution Car Tax Scam - Excuse - Congestion I am sure there are more... Poor Heathcare............ Poor Housing............... Useless Job Prospects...........excuse....well this one is probably going to be immigration Shite Roads - excuse - It rains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Are EDS in the frame for doing it then? I read the article but couldn't find their name mentioned....Not officially - but they somehow seem to have got all the Government contracts I can remember for at least the last 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DevilsAdvocate Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Just bear with me. My grandparents were both born in 1902 in north west Germany. In late 1918 my grandfather was invited to join the bloodbath in Flanders as regimental cannon fodder. Fortunately he missed this experience due to a burst appendix and by the time he was well the war was over. Post war Germany was not a pleasant place, that is untill a 'saviour' appeared - work for all, bread on the table and the trains running on time. My grandparents both eagerly became paid up members (well they both worked in the town hall and would have lost their jobs otherwise) My uncle Willi was growing up and learning to think for himself by this time and saw through the political facade and didn't like what was behind it. In late 1940 a few bombs began to fall on the town and some damage to their house was done. To keep abreast of the current news as supplied by Dr Goebbles the radio needed to be repaired. The repair man arrived and asked Willi "what was wrong with it ?". the 15year old Willi answered "it's been telling lies !". The next day Willi was invited down to the local police station for a 'chat' with some gentlemen from the Gestapo. Because my grandparents were 'good' party members he got off lightly - a good beating instead of a one way trip to a concentration camp. OK so it's not that bad here, but a police state is a police state is a police state and thats what we've got. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Nearly a Godwins moment there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DevilsAdvocate Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Nearly a Godwins moment there. Yes it is a true story, Willi was drafted into the wehrmacht and posted to france only to be taken prisoner by the free French (only slightly better than being taken prisoner by the Russians). He survived the war but was killed in a motorcycle accident in 1953. Back to our Police State thread, you're wrong Class One, it doesn't make any difference which colour of govornment is in 'power' they only set policy, the unelected civil service run the country. The senior members of the civil service are drawn from the same source as they have been drawn from for hundreds of years. These Plutocrats now have the advantage of modern technology rather than millitia and sabre to exercise control over the 'subjects of the crown'. liberte, egalite, fraternite vive la republique Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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