Fed up with being taxed to death, fuel prices etc?

[Guest dangerousandy]

Im DEFINETELY in for this Andy! Especially after my rise in road tax and our rise in petrol/gas/electric/water...it just goes on and on!

Taxes have gone up by 50% and 150 stealth taxes have been introduced since labour have been in power! 150!!

I think we should all stand up and say no more! If labour back down like they did about the 10p tax row and we all generate enough buzz,

maybe they might change things...

 

Shane, you are so right. This government (who I didnt vote for) has shafted hard work people for over 10 years now and its about time that people stood up to them. These ar5ewipes only care about lining their own pockets - they do not care about the environment or about climate change. green taxes are just another excuse to exract more money out of the pockets of hard working, law abiding people.

 

we need to make a stand.

[Guest dangerousandy]

Im DEFINETELY in for this Andy! Especially after my rise in road tax and our rise in petrol/gas/electric/water...it just goes on and on!

Taxes have gone up by 50% and 150 stealth taxes have been introduced since labour have been in power! 150!!

I think we should all stand up and say no more! If labour back down like they did about the 10p tax row and we all generate enough buzz,

maybe they might change things...

 

Shane, you are so right. This government (who I didnt vote for) has shafted hard work people for over 10 years now and its about time that people stood up to them. These ar5ewipes only care about lining their own pockets - they do not care about the environment or about climate change. green taxes are just another excuse to exract more money out of the pockets of hard working, law abiding people.

 

we need to make a stand.

[Carl_S]

Right, I know that I am sick to death of being shafted by this bunch of tw4ts called New Labour and I'm sure I am not the only one.

 

As Supra owners we are affected by the rising cost of petrol and also some of us by the new VED rates (silversoop!!!). It is all very well ranting on about it on forums like this, but what we really need to do is unite and make a stand so our voices (and exhausts!) are heard loud and clear by those muppets in Westminster. I think that we should organise a massive convoy (maybe get other car clubs to join us?) and drive to London to cause as much disruption as possible (but legally - I suppose ). we should all drive very slow and cause gridlock - just like some lorry drivers have been doing......

 

what do you all reckon?

 

It's a fantastic idea, show us hows its done.

[The Raven]

OK few problems.

 

Number of people who will turn up.

 

Lastly the cars we drive will get us no where. I can see the headlines now.

 

40 Toyota Supras costing around 35k each took to the streets today to protest at fuel taxes the Supra that returns 20mpg and has a top speed of 180mph... Right there you will have 90% of norms saying

 

"buy a car that does better MPG you rich ba^*ards."

 

Just my take

[tbourner]

The oil companies have bought all the patents to the best technological advances in electric cars and hybrids and stuff, so when the oil runs out they'll fall back on them and keep their profits up, so really we'd be better off using as much fuel as possible to get rid of it all so we can start again with the electric cars and fuel cells etc.

 

Other than that, I don't agree with the government adding VAT to fuel after the fuel duty has been put on it, because according to the government themselves "VAT is a tax that you pay when you buy goods and services in the European Union (EU), including the United Kingdom.", and AFAIC fuel duty is neither a good nor a service, so it shouldn't be taxable.

But apart from that, I think fuel costs should be increased and road tax abolished, that would be a much better way of doing things.

[tbourner]

Ooh look at this:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2195538.ece

 

 

Walking does more than driving to cause global warming, a leading environmentalist has calculated.

 

Food production is now so energy-intensive that more carbon is emitted providing a person with enough calories to walk to the shops than a car would emit over the same distance. The climate could benefit if people avoided exercise, ate less and became couch potatoes. Provided, of course, they remembered to switch off the TV rather than leaving it on standby.

 

The sums were done by Chris Goodall, campaigning author of How to Live a Low-Carbon Life, based on the greenhouse gases created by intensive beef production. “Driving a typical UK car for 3 miles [4.8km] adds about 0.9 kg [2lb] of CO2 to the atmosphere,” he said, a calculation based on the Government’s official fuel emission figures. “If you walked instead, it would use about 180 calories. You’d need about 100g of beef to replace those calories, resulting in 3.6kg of emissions, or four times as much as driving.

 

“The troubling fact is that taking a lot of exercise and then eating a bit more food is not good for the global atmosphere. Eating less and driving to save energy would be better.”

 

Mr Goodall, Green Party parliamentary candidate for Oxford West & Abingdon, is the latest serious thinker to turn popular myths about the environment on their head.

 

Catching a diesel train is now twice as polluting as travelling by car for an average family, the Rail Safety and Standards Board admitted recently. Paper bags are worse for the environment than plastic because of the extra energy needed to manufacture and transport them, the Government says.

 

Fresh research published in New Scientistlast month suggested that 1kg of meat cost the Earth 36kg in global warming gases. The figure was based on Japanese methods of industrial beef production but Mr Goodall says that farming techniques are similar throughout the West.

 

What if, instead of beef, the walker drank a glass of milk? The average person would need to drink 420ml – three quarters of a pint – to recover the calories used in the walk. Modern dairy farming emits the equivalent of 1.2kg of CO2 to produce the milk, still more pollution than the car journey.

 

Cattle farming is notorious for its perceived damage to the environment, based on what scientists politely call “methane production” from cows. The gas, released during the digestive process, is 21 times more harmful than CO2 . Organic beef is the most damaging because organic cattle emit more methane.

 

Michael O’Leary, boss of the budget airline Ryanair, has been widely derided after he was reported to have said that global warming could be solved by massacring the world’s cattle. “The way he is running around telling people they should shoot cows,” Lawrence Hunt, head of Silverjet, another budget airline, told the Commons Environmental Audit Committee. “I do not think you can really have debates with somebody with that mentality.”

 

But according to Mr Goodall, Mr O’Leary may have a point. “Food is more important [to Britain’s greenhouse emissions] than aircraft but there is no publicity,” he said. “Associated British Foods isn’t being questioned by MPs about energy.

 

“We need to become accustomed to the idea that our food production systems are equally damaging. As the man from Ryanair says, cows generate more emissions than aircraft. Unfortunately, perhaps, he is right. Of course, this doesn’t mean we should always choose to use air or car travel instead of walking. It means we need urgently to work out how to reduce the greenhouse gas intensity of our foodstuffs.”

 

Simply cutting out beef, or even meat, however, would be too modest a change. The food industry is estimated to be responsible for a sixth of an individual’s carbon emissions, and Britain may be the worst culprit.

 

“This is not just about flying your beans from Kenya in the winter,” Mr Goodall said. “The whole system is stuffed with energy and nitrous oxide emissions. The UK is probably the worst country in the world for this.

 

“We have industrialised our food production. We use an enormous amount of processed food, like ready meals, compared to most countries. Three quarters of supermarkets’ energy is to refrigerate and freeze food prepared elsewhere.

 

A chilled ready meal is a perfect example of where the energy is wasted. You make the meal, then use an enormous amount of energy to chill it and keep it chilled through warehousing and storage.”

 

The ideal diet would consist of cereals and pulses. “This is a route which virtually nobody, apart from a vegan, is going to follow,” Mr Goodall said. But there are other ways to reduce the carbon footprint. “Don’t buy anything from the supermarket,” Mr Goodall said, “or anything that’s travelled too far.” [email protected]

[Alex C]

 

Good article! Finally somone looking at the bigger picture.

[Guest dangerousandy]

Its not about driving thirsty cars or about global warming. Its the principal of this useless fkn government taking the fkn pi55 out of hardworking people and taxing us to death.

[marc_p]

Sorry to drag this thread back but I found this graph on the BBC website which shows petrol prices over the last nine years which I found rather interesting.

 

[Dazzi]

During the 60's in the US a lot of people sold there V8's for not much more than a bag of sugar due to the 'fuel crisis'. They all regret it now. Shame that, because I doubt it will ever go back down here. Gordon knows we're still buying it at todays prices so why lower it?

[Multics]

I heard that the Government cannot lower the duty/tax without the approval of Brussels and obviously Brussels will not give its approval even if the Government did ask. If that is correct, all the Tories are saying about bringing back petrol at 95p/litre is total BS?

[Dazzi]

Whats our prices got to do with Brussels? Another thing I don't get, whats America got to do with out Housing crash too? They churn out all these excuses, best one so far was those missing CD's with louds of personal details. First it was TNT's fault, then a new employee.

[Multics]

Whats our prices got to do with Brussels?

 

Because the UK is part of the European Union remember?

Part of the duty and the tax goes to the Union so there you go

[tbourner]

Thing is, with the increase in cost, more people are driving less, so they have to increase it to keep profit the same. Like I said before, road tax is more my issue, that's the thing that's all wrong when it comes to trying to stop 'gas guzzlers'.

[Dazzi]

Because the UK is part of the European Union remember?

Part of the duty and the tax goes to the Union so there you go

Well to some extent but well don't have the Euro currency so why are we apart of it

[Multics]

Well to some extent but well don't have the Euro currency so why are we apart of it

 

No, the Euro currency has nothing to do with it. The UK has been a member of the Union since 1973.

[ozz]

oops wrong thread!

[Multics]

oops wrong thread!

 

Whatever, look around there are at least 3 other threads about the petrol prices.

[Dazzi]

No, the Euro currency has nothing to do with it. The UK has been a member of the Union since 1973.

About time they left it then

[RiceRocket]

Another thing I don't get, whats America got to do with out Housing crash too?

 

It not a crash yet more of a slump.

In answer to your query-

Our banks (they don't just operate in the UK you know) provided lots of mortgages for people in US who shouldn't have been given them and thus usually after a year these US homeowners defaulted in droves (Why we heard "subprime" a lot in last 12 months). This created a lot of bad debt for the banks and they now won't lend to each other or greenlight loans/mortgages willy-nilly to people in this country, so more people with not enough money means less demand for homeownership.

 

It suppose to get worse as banks are accruing another type of debt through some sort of insurance policies on debt itself, can't remember it exzactly.

[Supradan]

This country is doomed im off to oz:D

[Dazzi]

This country is doomed im off to oz:D

I'll beat you first, im off to New Mexico to lap up the sun

[tbourner]

This is about right.

[Dazzi]

This is about right.

Nope, empty tank and empty wallet

[imi]

Choose your root carefully, otherwise you will also be shafted by the expense of 'Low Emission Zone' and congestions charges!

 

How would the low emission zone effect our privately owned cars?

 

But still couldn't the government change the fuel duty to an escalator system thus keeping petrol prices capped (say 90p?), and make up the shortfall through tax on oil companies rising profit from higher oil commodity prices........

 

Govt has lost a lot of revenue by banning smoking in public places; it therefore has to recover those losses from another place - who else are mugs that are happy to bend over and get shafted - you guessed it - us motorists.

 

AS to what Supra-Brett said in his post #39, it is a good post, a very flowery one but a false one as proven by the recent post about people walking causing more CO2 emissions. What about cattle? What about the fuel it costs to put food on our table? what about the energy and CO2 is takes to develop new technologies like electric cars, etc.

 

As to cleaning our production from manufacturing industries to services, thats because we have shifted all our manufacturing to the far east.....I find it amusing that we blame the Chinese and Indians now.

 

If the govt actually invested the tax that they make from fuel in better roads, better transport services then I have no issues paying a premium to be in my car. But please dont give me stupid bollocks about the environment cause 1) it is not true 2) they are doing F'all about it anyway.

 

 

Finally, regarding the convoy - count me in

 

1) providing it is legal as I dont fancy a trip to Camp-X

2) I can identify with what was said earlier that the rich boys were out protesting in their supra cars

 

probably worthwhile to start a poll....