Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 PM'ing you now mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Change of plan now folks...... I've been thinking - with my car being an aerotop, I don't really think I'd use the air-con enough to warrant keeping the system in the car. So, I'm toying with the idea of getting it all ripped out, and then just swapping the rad over for a new one, either the Golpher unit or the CW unit. Removing the system will also save weight I suppose, which can only be a good thing! I have to collect the car tonight, so assuming I can work my ass off every evening between now and saturday I'll still be going to Japfest too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmx1lew Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 You got me thinking, If my AC ever breaks i think i might rip it all out like, TBH your right last year i used mine for about a month, for what it costs its not worth it unless you plan to sell the car later on, plus it uses 10% extra of your fuel and you should run it for at least 5 minuets every week to keep it in working order. Lew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 check every switch works inside the car, basic. Yes, thanks mate. Switch works fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 glad someone found it funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) Car produced 269.7bhp today - It's running rich, and I'm going to point the finger at that damn FSE valve which is being removed as soon as the parts arrive from Toyota. I THINK these are RWHP figures, but don't know the calculation for fly figures for this dyno yet. Other than that, boost looks like it is all over the place, seems to peak at a max of 12.5psi (0.86bar approx) even though the Blitz BC reports a 1bar boost, AFR's of anywhere between 10 and 11, flattening out at 10 (according to graph) Not sure what to think yet - I'll try and get the graphs up for people to comment, but I really hope they are RWHP figures! Edited May 14, 2008 by Pabs (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Ahhh know mate, What a nightmare Have you contacted the previous owner? Maybe he could shed some light? Hope its sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Very strange although AFR's are about right (10-11 on a bpu car are normal) so cant see what changing the fse valve will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) Paul E PM'd me when he saw my threads apologising for the issues etc, but tbh he said he never had it RR'd anyway. I have no idea where to look for the problems, but first things first I'm going to have to sort out the knackered air con, leaking radiator, and FPR. Then see how the car is. Edited May 14, 2008 by Pabs (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Very strange although AFR's are about right so cant see what changing the fse valve will do. Well from what I've read and know on previous cars the FSE valves can be a right pain - again I don't know what the dyno can read with regards to AFR - if it's anything like the dash gauges bottoming out at 10 then it could be running much richer! If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate it - I think I'm going to have to get the car looked at by ToyotaGT or something to see if anyone can diagnose.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) Has the dyno operator experience of dyno auto supras, i hear they are not the easiest to get a correct figure from, was that figure @the wheels power or flywheel? Edited May 14, 2008 by JamieP (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Jamie, you could be on to something there.... I asked them for at the fly figures, but I don't know what I actually have.... is there a way you can tell? Graphs to follow in a sec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gaz Walker Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) Bin the FSE definitely. Which dyno did you take it too? Nevermind seen its JKM - do they know anything about Supras? Gaz. Edited May 14, 2008 by Gaz Walker (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 see above Gaz! It's no dyno in particular, just one the garage has where I had the work done. I don't want to bring their name into this at the moment just in case it's me reading things wrong or something. Dyno Dynamics 1200bhp capable rollers. They are predominantly a VAG specialist - RR'd all of our IHI, big turbo'd SEATs, VW's and Skodas, also looked after 600bhp Skylines and currently finishing off a capri build with 550bhp engine. They really know their stuff, and I've always taken my car there. Admittedly there are lots of other places that probably know Supra's far better than these, but because I was getting some work completed there I thought I'd get them to stick it on the RR and see what it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 damn, missed one. Nevermind! lol. Comments on the graphs please guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lui Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Bin the FSE definitely. Which dyno did you take it too? Nevermind seen its JKM - do they know anything about Supras? Gaz. Yeah to that that piece of crap cost me a re-build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 well some people obviously like them, but it's getting removed pronto anyway. Parts are on back-order from toyota at the moment. The garage are certainly not Supra specialists, and they have dyno'd a few supras before without any issues. But as said, they are a VAG specialist, so not 100% jap oriented. So folks, what do you think of the graphs? How do I tell if they are @wheel or @fly figures? I will ask them tomorrow anyway, but just don't know what to think of the results at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra ST Myster Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 never did receive a pm mate just in case you sent one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) I think these are @ the wheel figures, which would mean they are not as bad as I thought they were. What figure should a BPU supra have @ the wheels? - 280/290 ish? Edited May 14, 2008 by Pabs (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 never did receive a pm mate just in case you sent one. Hmm, wierd - I thought I sent you one. I'll get back to you soon mate, I'm still waiting for the breakdown of the bits I need from the air-con engineer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 They really know their stuff, and I've always taken my car there. Apart from how to operate a rolling road.. either that or you car is messed up! Those dyno plots are all over the place. No supra should have a torque curve like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Apart from how to operate a rolling road.. either that or you car is messed up! Those dyno plots are all over the place. No supra should have a torque curve like that Could it not be as simple as the second turbo isnt working correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 As in dead turbo, or just not coming online when it should (is this controlled by the vsv valve?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Could it not be as simple as the second turbo isnt working correctly? Good call Jon. Looking again, yes, that could be the cause. I missed the PSI plot and assumed it was a dodgy AFR one, but looking again there is certainly a boost issue if that graph is correct. Pads, if the 2nd turbo isn't coming online on a WOT run, try letting off the throttle then re-applying to see if it the 2nd turbo kicks back in (classic EGBV actuator problem). Do you have a boost gauge? Can probably take a look at it this weekend at Japfest if you like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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