Guest dogzzilla Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Has anyone on here done or got any info on 3SGTE conversion from MR2 turbo? Epecially interested in how the car feels to drive compared to heavier Sup lump. I have everything needed for the conversion & aiming to run at about 350hp. Had a MR2 running at over 300 & that was great but obviously quite a bit lighter-Is 350 enough do you think as I want it to be reliable but still quick without throwing huge sums of cash at it! I plan to do the conversion myself so any info would be helpful. (The TOP SECRET build is useful as a base but obviously that was a money no object build!!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Why would you want to, seeing how easy it is to get much more than 350 from a 2JZ? The Supra is a heavy car - the higher torque of a bigger engine is vital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMagic Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 You want to put a 3SGTE in a Supe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermonkey Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Didn't the jap GT cars do something like this?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 reverse it, put a 2JZGTE in an MR2, that'll be impressive:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermonkey Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 reverse it, put a 2JZGTE in an MR2, that'll be impressive:d and don't forget the wheelie bars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 It has been done. I remember seeing it here. *Goes off to search* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMagic Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 reverse it, put a 2JZGTE in an MR2, that'll be impressive:d I'm sure it's been done, but I bet it would be a pig to do considering the MR2 3SGTE is mounted the other way and the width of the 2JZ I doubt you’d get it all in. Plus it would be to heavy on the rear and handle like a pig much like an old 911. Would be fast in a straight line though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 bear in mind Top Secret didn't actually use the 3S-GTE but a race engine closely related to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermonkey Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 bear in mind Top Secret didn't actually use the 3S-GTE but a race engine closely related to it. thats probably what i was thinking of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dogzzilla Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Ive seen it done so it must be possible-not looking for mega bhp-just want to do something a little different & would be in keeping with my car (Top Secret Wide Arch). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 The 3sgte engine has huge potential! If your serious and are happy to put the supra on a diet you could end up with a decent setup. I'd like to see a 3sgte pushing 500+hp and weighing in at 1300kg's, with good weight distribution tearing up the track! If your prepared to go as far as doing a swap then you might as well do it properly IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 3SGTE in a Supe is definitely the way forward. You can still make 500bhp out of it, it weigh's less, is smaller (lower C of G) and can be pushed up against the bulkhead (Reduced yaw inertia) If I was seriously looking at making a track car out of a Supe, I would definitely consider doing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dogzzilla Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Ive seen one in the flesh that looked like it was just thrown in there-looked awful-But the TOP SECRET one is as you say set right back in the bay with loads of room for fans etc up front,any info would be great but I`m sure I`ll work it out either way. I know the engines are strong & responsive but I`m unsure due to the weight issue. Either way its got to be quicker than current n/a set up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMagic Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 I definitely wouldn't it's very backward IMHO, one of the main points in a Supra is the 2ZJ as it is arguably the most tuneable engine (In bang for buck terms) out there. Whilst there are other legendry engines e.g. the RB26 and The YB lump they will not cope with large boost increases and power hikes without up rating just about everything to cope. The 2ZJ is such a strong engine with so much potential it's silly not to use it to its full capability where money permits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 http://www.megaboost.co.uk/photos/goodwood-24-6-05/ijgtc-02.jpg And: http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0705_trial_tuning_toyota_supra/photo_02.html http://www.suprastore.com/topsecsuport.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) I definitely wouldn't it's very backward IMHO, one of the main points in a Supra is the 2ZJ as it is arguably the most tuneable engine (In bang for buck terms) out there. Whilst there are other legendry engines e.g. the RB26 and The YB lump they will not cope with large boost increases and power hikes without up rating just about everything to cope. The 2ZJ is such a strong engine with so much potential it's silly not to use it to its full capability where money permits. It's fine when you get to a point where as a whole package you want 1000bhp and can cope with the fact you've got a massive lump of cast iron at a distance from the centre of gravity. However, 98% of people who will ever drive a Supra, on or off the track will be more than challenged with 500bhp in a fully lightened car. Having a vastly reduced yaw inertia and CoG in the corners will be worth quite a few BHP on the straight's when it comes to a total lap-time. The 2JZ-GTE is a great engine, agreed. But for a proper money no limit track car, I'd go 3S-GTE any day. Edited May 13, 2008 by TLicense (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMagic Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 It's fine when you get to a point where as a whole package you want 1000bhp and can cope with the fact you've got a massive lump of cast iron at a distance from the centre of gravity. However, 98% of people who will ever drive a Supra, on or off the track will be more than challenged with 500bhp in a fully lightened car. Having a vastly reduced yaw inertia and CoG in the corners will be worth quite a few BHP on the straight's when it comes to a total lap-time. The 2JZ-GTE is a great engine, agreed. But for a proper money no limit track car, I'd go 3S-GTE any day. I have no doubts in my mind to how good a 3SGTE is but the thing is if you want an out and out track car, looking at using a Supra shell seems rather pointless to me when the MR2 or Celica (Celica not so much) are much better cars for the job due to there size and weight. It seems pointless going balls out to achieve a 1300kg supra with a 3SGTE lump when Toyota had pretty much made that car for you with the MR2 and the engine was in the right place for cornering ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 The 2JZ-GTE is a great engine, agreed. But for a proper money no limit track car, I'd go 3S-GTE any day. A 2.2 503E for me please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 It seems pointless going balls out to achieve a 1300kg supra with a 3SGTE lump when Toyota had pretty much made that car for you with the MR2 and the engine was in the right place for cornering ability. The engine location with a 3S Supra would be a front-mid setup though, plus the Supra already has the right suspension design in place whereas the MR2 just doesn't have the room unless you spaceframe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSoop Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 http://www.megaboost.co.uk/photos/goodwood-24-6-05/ijgtc-02.jpg http://forums.trinituner.com/upload/TS3Ssup.jpg And: http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0705_trial_tuning_toyota_supra/photo_02.html http://www.suprastore.com/topsecsuport.html A bit off topic but also didn't the white top secret supra have the R34 Skyline engine in it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockys96 Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 yes it did, ive seen supra engines in skylines. etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMagic Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 "Off Topic" SilverSoop Did you buy your TT from West Moors Motor Company? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Quote: Originally Posted by TLicense The 2JZ-GTE is a great engine, agreed. But for a proper money no limit track car, I'd go 3S-GTE any day. A 2.2 503E for me please. Wouldnt you be better with a nice revy V8? I wanted this done when I was planning to go single, I'd love to see how it corners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Great idea for a track car as already mentioned, but reliability could become a major issue over 500hp where the 2JZGTE is normally fine when setup correctly. As tony has already mentioned though, the slight reduction in HP for other gains could make it a worth while move for full on track setups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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