bmx1lew Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I dont know that much about ecu's or mapping im currently learning from a book by Ben Strader and thinking of joining up to the online course on efi university, I've spoken to a few companies in the USA about Haltech ecu's over there they are highly regarded, the actual owner of Haltech runs a Supra, They provide the harnesses aswell, If you want to find out more about Haltech I highly recomended Speaking to Cassandra at velocity motorsports in Texas, Cassandra is a mapper and is also highly regarded for her skills, She swears that the software for the Haltechs are a dream to work with, she mentioned some thing that i've never heard before like a special way to map or a map that I cant remember the word it began with a V? apparently its really hard to do but with the haltech they can do it quite easily.+ Thor racing also sells them. http://www.maximumvelocitymotorsports.com/ http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=&products_id=96&detail=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Problem with haltech is getting factory tech support in the UK. I am a member of the Haltech technical forum, and I see a load of worrying posts where people don't get the factory support they need. Spend the extra on a Motec. Put crudely, if the price difference between the best and cheapest ECU's bother you, then you shouldn't be doing a single conversion in the first place, as you will find the ecu cost and mapping is incidental in the grand scheme of things. Sounds harsh, but IMO it's a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Problem with haltech is getting factory tech support in the UK. I am a member of the Haltech technical forum, and I see a load of worrying posts where people don't get the factory support they need. Spend the extra on a Motec. Put crudely, if the price difference between the best and cheapest ECU's bother you, then you shouldn't be doing a single conversion in the first place, as you will find the ecu cost and mapping is incidental in the grand scheme of things. Sounds harsh, but IMO it's a fact. Were is this fantastic technical support from Motec? Is it only via e-mail or is there a forum available? Most of my info has came from the efi forum, or various efi books and sites, Unless regarding hardware issues (I'd hope there wouldn't be any) I dont see why you would need technical support from the manufacturers, more so if you dont intend mapping the car yourself, If you do intend mapping yourself then its just a case of getting used to the software, and having a sound knowledge of efi cars, most ecu's seem to have similar features, some more than others If you want the best out of your setup and a problem free install its best to have an underlying knowlegde of what parts make up the Supra, most of which you can find on here, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Just ring them up, or there are several forums that offer support. I have found there support second to none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Shane_ Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I would go full aem , heard its a wicked ecu. Only bought one myself with all the trick bits 2 weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Just ring them up, or there are several forums that offer support. I have found there support second to none. Which ones? There never seems to be any problems with the motec in any forums I have seen other than cost or configuration, maybe I have just not found the right forums Any off the top of your head where there is a direct contact with a motec specialist or motec tech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 No Motec affiliated mappers will be found on any forums save their own password protected environments, they are too busy mapping, and expect (rightly) to be paid for info. Motec themselves are very helpful though. http://www.efi101.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=7318749ffb4f81c1720fa4758238f3aa may be of interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 http://www.efi101.com/forum/viewforu...0fa4758238f3aa Yes I visit that quite regularly The support you speak of is no more then hardware technical then or would they be prepared to go through a full map with you(Not that you would want to)? My point being that although the motec has countless documents of info, they dont really teach you anything new from the physics of efi So as long as the hardware is reliable and capable then the ecu choice is pretty vast Any technical problems to do with the hardware would hopefully be sorted by the supplier, as they themselves would have to go about returning the product I think Haltech and the like would suit any efi car, as long as you had the foundations of how that car was built for the basemap Your choice then comes down to cost, and all the higher level ecu's are around the same price anyway so I reckon thats why most go for the motec, its been used and proven reliable over here, If you are doing a full build on an engine and completely changing the characteristics you shouldnt be bounded by the term plug and play(they never are anyway) Your choice is pretty much piggy - mid level - or high level, of which choice is vast Before you do anything though, if you are not mapping the car yourself, choose your mapper(they may not be comfortable configuring/mapping an ecu of your choice - it could take more time, money and your open to more errors/problems as they learn the various features of that ecu) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkivtt Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Sorry, no, he's still out of the UK and I am not able to reach him. Let me know when you have got all the info. Thx. Guys , anyone else who can supply any other ecus that will run vvti engine while still keeping drive by wire and who can supply plug and play loom with base map for supra that has bpu upgrade like FMIC and exhaust ? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 OK, finally got some prices. a brand new, UK sourced M800 is £1900, the VVTi cam control option enabled is £225, and the fly by wire throttle option is £260. A new plug and play adaptor by Motec is about £500, so there would be VERY minimal wiring needed. If purchased from me I can supply witha VVti manual base map FOC. Above prices are plus VAT and delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Chris, is the M600 noticeably cheaper at all? (just curiosity) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 personally on a BPU car I would opt for a piggyback ECU, emanage ultimate or similar. No need for the standalone imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 OK, finally got some prices. a brand new, UK sourced M800 is £1900, the VVTi cam control option enabled is £225, and the fly by wire throttle option is £260. A new plug and play adaptor by Motec is about £500, so there would be VERY minimal wiring needed. If purchased from me I can supply witha VVti manual base map FOC. Above prices are plus VAT and delivery. £2885 +vat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Chris, is the M600 noticeably cheaper at all? (just curiosity) It is, but I haven't sold one for years, I'd have to find out just how MUCH cheaper they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 £2885 +vat Plug and Play, with the VVTi and fly by wire maps professionally done, not a bad price. You'd probably think it cheap if you'd had to do the development yourself, we are into serious complication here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkR Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hi Chris I have a Valcon Plus VCam kit pro (HKS variable intake cam and controller). I haven't installed it yet as still waiting to get my single turbo and fueling bits. Haven't decided on an ECU yet. Would I still need the VVTI function from the MOTEC ECU, as the HKS unit allows corrections in 500rpm increments (I think from the japanese translated instructions). Mine is also tiptronic, so I guess the auto box complicates things? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra dan Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 how about the MAP ecu, any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 how about the MAP ecu, any good? If you was looking at piggy backs I would go with an EMU just for support reasons. As always though, choose your mapper and speak to them about what they would recommend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Couldn't answer that, you may be able to use the HKS thing to run the VVTi stuff, but i think it would make more sense, and reduce the rats nest if you used a Motec for everything. The stock ecu would have to remain to run the auto box though. Manuals make this sort of thing a lot simpler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkivtt Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Hey Chris_Wilson, Would you have email address that i contact you ? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uestlove Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Haltech is Aussie, i have used them in past cars with no issues at all! I bought a HKS F-Con V Pro (Gold) for my jza80 TT and no one in Aus can tune them, so now i gotta sell it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Hey Chris_Wilson, Would you have email address that i contact you ? Thanks. It's in all my sigs at the bottom of all my posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolarbag Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 For readers of this thread, I'm selling my beloved Motec M600and a few other bits and pieces, sourced from Mr CW himself, great ECU, but not going to be any use to me now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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