carl0s Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I'm pondering the idea of having a new shape Civic 2.2 cdti type s 3dr diesel car. I spent ~£60 on fuel on Wednesday and Thursday combined. I could pay off the rest of the finance on the Supra and have a lease car provided to me for the same cost as the Supra's finance is costing. I'm a little bit concerned that I'll become obsessed with the idea of having a Supra again though if I got rid of it. There isn't room for three cars on our driveway, otherwise I'd probably consider keeping it as well. Part of me thinks it's going to become a proper classic sometime in the future, and it's the right colour too, so it'd be a shame to get rid, but it's a lot of money to run a car and although I'm not running out of money or anything - in fact I am clearing debts at quite a decent pace, but I wonder if I'd suddenly feel very financially comfortable if I got rid of the Supra. What would you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Diesel FTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnas78 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I would get a diesel diesel now are much queiter then before civic is nice but the accord has alot more space if you need the the space and its a lovely lovely drive2.2ctdi you could go for the fully loade done lovely machines will reduce your fuel bill by half atleast i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 One of the guys at work has a new shape Civic diesel (I dunno the model number/code). Anyway, he was telling me the other day how he really regrets buying it and that, for a Japanese car, the build quality is poor. He also said the real world fuel consumption is rather worse than he was expecting. Low-30-odd mpg he was saying. He was saying he wished he'd gone for diesel Golf instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnas78 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 May be an Diesel A3 or A4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 With the cost of diesel rising at a greater rate than petrol now (isn't it?) I wonder how long it will be before it actually costs less to own a petrol car that's cheaper to buy, cheaper to fuel and not than much less in the MPG stakes? I guess tax is a consideration and things like that too though. I think I'd sway more towards a chipped VAG car now than anything Japanese / French though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 One of the guys at work has a new shape Civic diesel (I dunno the model number/code). Anyway, he was telling me the other day how he really regrets buying it and that, for a Japanese car, the build quality is poor. He also said the real world fuel consumption is rather worse than he was expecting. Low-30-odd mpg he was saying. He was saying he wished he'd gone for diesel Golf instead. He must be giving it a lot of welly then. The 2.2CDTi in the Accord/Civic is very quick and supposed to be quite frugal if treated gently. I would have one of these tomorrow. I wouldn't choose the Golf over a Civic. VW seem to be having major reliability issues at the moment. My company has just removed the Golf and the Passat off our company car list as they spend so much time in the garage. Our fleet manager was saying that out of a fleet of 40 cars, we had about 18 VW's and three of them had had complete engine re-builds and many others had gearbox problems!! I think build quality is suffering everywhere at the moment as companies are looking for profits over quality! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike M Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I think the VAG Diesels sound awful especially when cold, sounds rattly and nasty. Mind you unless its a BMW or Merc they will sound nasty. If your buying new then you pay more for the Diesel model in the first place before having your eyes ripped out by the fuel price. Depends what your using it for too, mostly motorway miles then a 2nd hand oil burner is probably the better option. Mostly town driving though I reckon a smaller petrol is hard to beat. I also reckon they are ruining the MPG gains by trying to get tons of horse power from them especially when you compare back to the older indirect injection PSA turbo motors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 When I was considering a Honda Accord a few years ago, I was amazed how quiet the diesel engine was. I also behind an Accord coming down a morotway slip road and the thing took off like a rocket. I was in a 2.0 Petrol Laguna and couldn't get anywhere near it from 30 - 70 ish!! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 He also said the real world fuel consumption is rather worse than he was expecting. Low-30-odd mpg he was saying. He was saying he wished he'd gone for diesel Golf instead. My 306 gets about 45-50mpg and I drive about 40 miles per day in heavy traffic. I fill up once every 15 days! I would love a Golf 2.0l tdi. My boss has one and in 2nd/3rd it just flies. TBH it always seems much more nippier than the Supra ever did! So one of them or an A3 2.0l tdi. I'm not fussy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 6 months and you will be bored to death of it:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damientt Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I've had a 'new' Civic 2.2 diesel for the last year and a half and it's a good car. Fuel consumption is typically around 44mpg but I drive with a very heavy right foot. The build quality could be better and the suspension can be harsh. Overall, I'd recommend it ... superb engine ... but I'm not sure if I'd buy another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 3, 2008 Author Share Posted May 3, 2008 One of the guys at work has a new shape Civic diesel (I dunno the model number/code). Anyway, he was telling me the other day how he really regrets buying it and that, for a Japanese car, the build quality is poor. He also said the real world fuel consumption is rather worse than he was expecting. Low-30-odd mpg he was saying. He was saying he wished he'd gone for diesel Golf instead. but the Civic is so damn smart inside and out (IMO!). And it'd be leased so the warranty would cover it for the length of ownership should anything expensive fall apart. I heard others mention the same about fuel consumption though, but it has to be a hell of a lot better than the Supra, provided it's driven gently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 3, 2008 Author Share Posted May 3, 2008 6 months and you will be bored to death of it:) You could be right Jamie Current thoughts are that I could keep the Supra for Amanda's use. hmmm. I don't really want her to have those running costs either though as it amounts to the same thing at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 3, 2008 Author Share Posted May 3, 2008 With the cost of diesel rising at a greater rate than petrol now (isn't it?) I wonder how long it will be before it actually costs less to own a petrol car that's cheaper to buy, cheaper to fuel and not than much less in the MPG stakes? I guess tax is a consideration and things like that too though. I think I'd sway more towards a chipped VAG car now than anything Japanese / French though. That is a good point, however I only use Super Unleaded in the Supra so the gap between that and diesel isn't so great, although it could make the choice between a petrol or diesel Civic more interesting. Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 That is a good point, however I only use Super Unleaded in the Supra so the gap between that and diesel isn't so great, although it could make the choice between a petrol or diesel Civic more interesting. Hmm. With a diesel you'll be changing gear at 5000rpm, do the same in a Type-R and how much less fuel will you save? The difference being that in the Type-R you can go further up the range if you want, you'll have no torque though Chipped Golf GT TDi should keep you happy enough though, I had an unchipped one for a week and it was a hoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 3, 2008 Author Share Posted May 3, 2008 With a diesel you'll be changing gear at 5000rpm, do the same in a Type-R and how much less fuel will you save? The difference being that in the Type-R you can go further up the range if you want, you'll have no torque though Chipped Golf GT TDi should keep you happy enough though, I had an unchipped one for a week and it was a hoot. The Type-R looks really good, but I think contract hire prices on those are more like £320/month instead of ~£230/month. The 2.2 Honda can be chipped from 140bhp to ~190, supposedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnos Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 i have a4 130 bhp,it`s fast for a 1.9 tdi and very nice car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 I've had a 'new' Civic 2.2 diesel for the last year and a half and it's a good car. Fuel consumption is typically around 44mpg but I drive with a very heavy right foot. The build quality could be better and the suspension can be harsh. Overall, I'd recommend it ... superb engine ... but I'm not sure if I'd buy another one.44mpg with a heavy foot? Dave at work was saying 30-odd with normal driving! There must be something wrong with his one then! Also, he was saying you only have to look at the interior (dash, it think) for the covering to get marked. Is that your experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Can you stretch to a BMW 118d (some Tech spec) or would you have to be a corpse to be found in there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 3, 2008 Author Share Posted May 3, 2008 Can you stretch to a BMW 118d (some Tech spec) or would you have to be a corpse to be found in there? Don't like 'em, although it is slightly better on fuel & 40nm less torque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damientt Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 My wife and I both drive the Civic pretty hard and consistently get mpg in the low to mid forties. "Dave at work" must always drive at 50mph in 1st gear. The quality of interior could be better but the instrument layout and display is way ahead of anything else I've seen. Take a test drive. Make up your own mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 13, 2008 Author Share Posted May 13, 2008 Hmm. Went to my leasing friends in Leeds today and they had a few Civics in stock. Two 5dr (1 diesel and 1 petrol) and a red Type-R. The Type-R is cheaper to lease than a 5dr diesel at the moment. I think I might be having a red Type-R. It's a seriously cool car. That would almost half my fuel bills, whereas the diesel would one-third them. Right decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceRocket Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 So so, the new Civic isn't as good as the previous and the Integras and J-spec Civic blows it away but it sounds like economy is the priority for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 The Type-R is cheaper to lease than a 5dr diesel at the moment. I think I might be having a red Type-R. It's a seriously cool car. It's no FD2 but I most certainly would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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