Gazboy Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 It was the Cerbera they tested - it was a trip to the Isle of Man - the last page with the performance results and their summary can be seen here: http://www.megaboost.co.uk/supra/articles/topgear-july96-11.jpg If I was buying new at that time I suspect I'd have taken the Cerbera and spent the £5500 saving over the Supra on AA, RAC and Green Flag memberships just to be sure Have you got the rest of the artical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 I've seen too many of them on AA flatbeds, or waiting for one on the hard shoulder. Too many, considering the very low numbers being sold. They sound masculine yes, look good yes, but when it comes to reliability and ease of servicing, Toyota is on the other end of the spectrum. They lack R&D big time though. For example 2 years ago when the temps went through the roof, people with Tuscans found out that the windscreens were only fixed to expand so much, and cracked under the sun. Mass manufacturers like Toyota have their prototypes in the desert and in ice-cold condtions and extreme rain as a matter of course...different league, with a TVR you are the beta-tester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 But you know Top Gear is full of shit dont ya Michael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 I've seen too many of them on AA flatbeds, or waiting for one on the hard shoulder. Too many, considering the very low numbers being sold. They sound masculine yes, look good yes, but when it comes to reliability and ease of servicing, Toyota is on the other end of the spectrum. They lack R&D big time though. For example 2 years ago when the temps went through the roof, people with Tuscans found out that the windscreens were only fixed to expand so much, and cracked under the sun. Mass manufacturers like Toyota have their prototypes in the desert and in ice-cold condtions and extreme rain as a matter of course...different league, with a TVR you are the beta-tester Agree in part - the RV8's are as simple as a simple thing in simpleville to fix - crap for tuning though at £1000 per 10bhp gained. It's stupid things that ruin the RV8's, like starter motors getting too hot while in petrol stations. The AJP8's and SP6's are a different kettle of fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Mass manufacturers like Toyota have their prototypes in the desert and in ice-cold condtions and extreme rain as a matter of course...different league, with a TVR you are the beta-tester True up until Smolensky took over but one of his big changes was to improve testing and quality control - this meant that he sent cars for hot and cold weather testing (both available in Blackpool surely?) and delayed Tuscan 2 and Sagaris until they were produced properly. Of course the cars are still fairly bespoke so there is always room for error if Ernie decides to drop a cheese sandwich in the block or Betty uses the wrong cotton on the dash leather but they are improving as time goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 But you know Top Gear is full of shit dont ya Michael. LOL of course but the mag tends to be a lot better than the TV show when it comes to accuracy, the article is very well written and takes on the opinions of 3 people who each drive the 3 cars - the figures for the Supra are low but I guess they were tested in the same conditions as the others and given that 2 of the 3 ended the article by saying they would have the Supra rather than the TVR or M3 I'm guessing there was no real bias... but I could be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 I was suprised how quick the Supra was in the in-gear test, especially against the Cerbie, considering how shit the full-bore standing start figures are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Exactly, thats worse than my 1/4 mile times and I cant drive for shiat I think the Cerbera is good for 175, what kinda BHP was it running? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 4.2's are typicaly 330-350ish bhp. At brunters, I managed 149mph, the Cerb 4.5 was doing 167mph iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 a 4.5 is closer to 400bhp I bet. something around 330-350 shouldnt be able to pub that much difference from the stock Supra, especially at top end. Its more aero dynamics that come into play there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 4.5's punt out 360ish, and need a LOT of work to get them close the the specified 420bhp. They are devestatingly fast because they weigh sod all. Weight isn't usually an issue above 130mph, but when you are giving away 450-500kg, you're toast in my experiance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 Its aero dynamics over weight at speed. I guess torque/bhp helps you push through the air easier too, but that kinda speed difference is a lot. Are you auto? I think I remember having this discussion with you before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted May 18, 2005 Share Posted May 18, 2005 JDM auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gunner Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 http://www.letstorquebhp.com Not sure how accurate these figures are but quite interesting to have a look through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 19, 2005 Share Posted May 19, 2005 Agreed, it's interesting that the Supra beats the Cerbera and M3 in Mcanny's link to the test...in all the in gear tests...but loses out in the thru the gears test? Bizarre as it would only need 2nd & 3rd a smidge of all at full boost. Also look at those rubbish 1/4 and 0-60times...driven by someone who hasn't a clue me thinks? Probably someone who can't get his head round the fact the 6-speed needs launching and holding at 4,000rpm to get the second turbo involved as soon as grip allows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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