RedM Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Also, Linux. Is it Li (rhymes with pie) nux or Lin (rhymes with pin) ux? It's important stuff this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 http://www.jx90.com/linux.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 http://www.jx90.com/linux.html ...and if I had speakers that worked on my works pc that would sound like what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 ...and if I had speakers that worked on my works pc that would sound like what? The latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Thank you. See how easy it is to give a quick, straight answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Fedora 9 was released last night, so will provide info on that tonight Damn, beaten to it by Alex, should really read more carefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Lin (rhymes with pin) ux? It's important stuff this. That one for me, that is how Linus pronounced it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 It was a replacement but how much of minix made it into linux I dont know. In 1991, Torvalds began to work on a non-commercial replacement for MINIX while he was attending the University of Helsinki.[8] This eventually became the Linux kernel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux Well, you said Linux was derived from Minix which I believe to be totally incorrect. That Linux is closer to Minix than a "full unix" is a bit of a mind boggler too! (not that I've ever used Minix.) hey, I never said any of the "actual code" made it into Linux, I mean that's pretty daft anyway isn't it. Wasn't part of the point about GNU (GNU not Unix) to get away from certain 'licensing' issues in the first place! I'm talking conceptually, architecturally and design wise... "In 1991, Torvalds began to work on a non-commercial replacement for MINIX while he was attending the University of Helsinki.[8] This eventually became the Linux kernel." The point here being it was actually _designed_ (consciously) as a replacement for Minix - that's not the same as simply replacing x for y is it anyway, this is no place for OS wars. Solaris (unix in general) and linux are not the same and I know which one I'd pick for features and scalability at this point in time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Minix rocked Linux back in 92 was so far from being what it is currently, it isn't fair to compare the two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Thank you. See how easy it is to give a quick, straight answer? LOL but that mp3 is very important. You would be amazed how many people say Lie-nux and are adamant that it's 'correct' that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 The point here being it was actually _designed_ (consciously) as a replacement for Minix I would have thought this is simply because Minix was the only free (as in beer) unix-alike out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Fedora 9 was released last night, so will provide info on that tonight Damn, beaten to it by Alex, should really read more carefully I'm eager to upgrade mine too, but it can wait. I have downloaded it now though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 My download at work carped it so I've tried again over night...will see how that goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 it's nice to see people using other OSes anyway, if there was a poll for opinions on windows I wonder how it would score these days I've not personally used ubuntu yet but I hear good stuff about it, it comes with open jdk? we use centos and fedora and some slackware, as well as windows and the aforementioned solaris at work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 I've fallen in love with Ubuntu. To be fair, it is the first Linux distro I've ever used and yes, a lot of it is bloody baffling, but it really feels like a breath of fresh air after decades of MS OSes. I'm actually excited about my OS in a way that I never was with Windows (although Vista's Aero made me go oooh!) and spending hours reading up all about Linux, Ubuntu and all the apps. Is Solaris suitable for a home user, ie. can you install it, get it working pretty much right away and surf, the net, play dvds etc or is it more suited to business/IT environments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Is Solaris suitable for a home user, ie. can you install it, get it working pretty much right away and surf, the net, play dvds etc or is it more suited to business/IT environments? hmmm, interesting question. I think it's heading that way but it's not there yet for the average home user. It's got a graphical installer and the Java Desktop Environment is essentially Gnome and you can use KDE instead no problems. So installing is not a big deal, so long as your hardware is supported. I think when it comes to administering the system, it's different enough from Linux to create a headache at times. In fact it's progressing so much it's even pretty different from Unix that it came from, in certain areas. the documentation is excellent thought, as is the design. Open Solaris has a growing community behind it. biggest problem areas are going to be hardware support and learning to do the regular tasks like control services and install software. support for dvd and audio and all that, probably not that great - certainly not as good as Ubuntu but then that's designed as a consumer Os really. however Solaris can run linux binaries out of the box. Solaris also has containers (fancy zones), predictive self healing services, dtrace (kernel and system tracing without rebuilding anything!), and ZFS is the first zetabyte file system, a true 128 file system (first of it's kind I believe, but I could be wrong there). so in summary I'd say it's still very much a hardcore server / developer platform, probably not for the faint hearted - but watch this space, in a year or two with the open community behind it, it could get a whole lot more accessible just to add, for developers like me (especially working with Java and Java EE) it's a godsend, I only wish I'd discovered it sooner! Sun Java, Glassfish, mysql (now backed/owned by Sun), Netbeans etc all out of the box in SXDE (Solaris Express Developer Edition) make it a perfect platform for development and scalable servers alike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 The newer containers now supports running solaris 8 inside solaris 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Good old Slowaris isn't suitable for any use, on i386 architecture. IMO of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBDJ Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 I've got a bunch of UltraSPARCs in the garage (even an Enterprise 450 lol) you can have then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 I've got a bunch of UltraSPARCs in the garage (even an Enterprise 450 lol) you can have then What models? I used to have an Ultra10 but it died a while back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 We have various sparc based servers including Sunfire v245 and 280r, the v245 run very nicely indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Good old Slowaris isn't suitable for any use, on i386 architecture. IMO of course lol, oh really? well I'm running it here on x86_64 and it's actually outperforming both windoze and linux 64 - so Slowaris is perhaps a bit ironic - especially since performance and scalability are where solaris is very strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 I've got a bunch of UltraSPARCs in the garage (even an Enterprise 450 lol) you can have then tempting but since it runs well on cheap generic and ubiquitous x86 hardware, sparc based platforms seems less appealing these days, unless you're doing something a little fancy and require the latest cutting edge of something. Especially with the prominence of virtualisation technology allowing windows, solaris, other unix and linux to coexist on the same platform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBDJ Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 We have various sparc based servers including Sunfire v245 and 280r, the v245 run very nicely indeed. I've got a stack of Sun Fire v210's here still doing their jobs well... it's pretty much the last of the SPARC hardware we will ever have though I suspect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 I am actually trying to figure out the best way to utilise the hardware more efficiently, as an example with 9 servers only 3 are actually in use at any one time. Instead of failover and DR I am looking to virtualise the application and run it across all servers with the ability to take individual servers in and out of service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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