chilli Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 I think Mr Torvalds would take exception to that suggestion. lol actually I'm not so sure he would, it's closer to that than full unix and I think most people familiar with both would agree. Either way it's true that there are linux scalability issues that are handled better by more full blown unix'es, of which Solaris is probably going to be the strongest player. hpux is dead in the water and aix is costly. BSD variants are the other strong contenders but I don't see the same momentum, IMHO of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Our centralised systems use Solaris and our distributed systems use AIX, I know which one I prefer and it isnt AIX Our old SAN front ends use to run HPUX but that was five or more years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 lol actually I'm not so sure he would, it's closer to that than full unix and I think most people familiar with both would agree. Either way it's true that there are linux scalability issues that are handled better by more full blown unix'es, of which Solaris is probably going to be the strongest player. hpux is dead in the water and aix is costly. BSD variants are the other strong contenders but I don't see the same momentum, IMHO of course Well, you said Linux was derived from Minix which I believe to be totally incorrect. That Linux is closer to Minix than a "full unix" is a bit of a mind boggler too! (not that I've ever used Minix.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Well, you said Linux was derived from Minix which I believe to be totally incorrect. It was a replacement but how much of minix made it into linux I dont know. In 1991, Torvalds began to work on a non-commercial replacement for MINIX while he was attending the University of Helsinki.[8] This eventually became the Linux kernel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 It was a replacement but how much of minix made it into linux I dont know. I'm pretty sure the answer is none. I replaced Windows XP with Linux, but Linux is not a derivative of Windows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Another question for you tech bods. I've got Ubuntu running on my HDD. I have Vista on a seperate drive in a USB caddy. Can I run Vista INSIDE Ubuntu using a Virtual Machine thing? If so, what do I need to do to get this happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Hmmm, I would hazzard a guess at yes but I imagine it would be a bit of a dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Here is a KVM setup guide on Ubuntu http://www.howtoforge.com/using-kvm-on-ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 If your computer has hardware virtualization support (Intel's iVT or AMD's AMD-V) then it'll be close to native speed, but you need to be aware that you won't have hardware graphics acceleration, so no Vista aero or graphical games. I think all Core 2 has iVT. Regarding how to do it.. you already have KVM there, as Virtual Machine Manager. Create a new VM from within there, make an 8gb or whatever file to use as the disk, select non-paravirtualised (i.e. not Xen), but tick hardware acceleration and you'll have a system ready to install Vista onto. You have to map the virtual Cd drive to /dev/scd0 or whatever your cd drive might be. With regard to just booting up your existing Vista installation within a VM, that's not going to happen unless you do something like image the drive with Acronis TrueImage and then restore that image to the VM with Acronis' optional Universal Restore feature. Might as well just not bother because it's a bit too involved and likely to go wrong. I would think there are loads of "how to install Vista virtual machine on Hardy Heron" howtos out there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Here is a KVM setup guide on Ubuntu http://www.howtoforge.com/using-kvm-on-ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon A lot of that will not be relevant to Hardy Heron, because Hardy introduced virt-manager from RedHat (Virtual Machine Manager) which is a gui and command-line interface to it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 A lot of that will not be relevant to Hardy Heron, because Hardy introduced virt-manager from RedHat (Virtual Machine Manager) which is a gui and command-line interface to it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 It's just that with virt-manager being such a publicised new feature/addition in Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron, I would think that a lot of the stuff in that howto is already done, i.e. kvm is probably already installed, the scripts are already there, and you just use the new Virtual Machine Manager or whatever Ubuntu have labelled it as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 It's just that with virt-manager being such a publicised new feature/addition in Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron, I would think that a lot of the stuff in that howto is already done, i.e. kvm is probably already installed, the scripts are already there, and you just use the new Virtual Machine Manager or whatever Ubuntu have labelled it as. I might have to give it a go as I havent tried it yet. I installed the server version of ubuntu on a spare Dell GX260 but havent had chance to do anything else with it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I'm downloading Fedora 9 to try out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I'm downloading Fedora 9 to try out Oooh. Thanks for the reminder I'll wait 'til I've got a quiet day to upgrade my Fedora 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I'm downloading Fedora 9 to try out I use fedora a lot as its built like redhat which I like, we have lots of servers running various versions of fedora for things like DNS, www, remote login, external email, ftp etc etc etc There is a new feature in Fedora 9 which allows you to install onto a usbkey, the difference between this and a livecd is that all your settings, downloads and docs are kept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I use fedora a lot as its built like redhat which I like, we have lots of servers running various versions of fedora for things like DNS, www, remote login, external email, ftp etc etc etc There is a new feature in Fedora 9 which allows you to install onto a usbkey, the difference between this and a livecd is that all your settings, downloads and docs are kept I noticed that too. Nice feature and it uses upstart instead of init, which is something I was talking about earlier in the thread. I suppose that highlights another thing I mentioned - the sharing of good technologies between distributions. Latest Ubuntu got virt-manager from RedHat/Fedora Latest Fedora got upstart from Ubuntu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 There is a new feature in Fedora 9 which allows you to install onto a usbkey, the difference between this and a livecd is that all your settings, downloads and docs are kept I use Slax on a USB stick only ~250MB with KDE desktop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I use Slax on a USB stick only ~250MB with KDE desktop I use to use linux on USB but with only 1gb I needed the space for files instead, now with 8gb USB sticks selling for as little as £15 it could be worthwhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I use to use linux on USB but with only 1gb I needed the space for files instead, now with 8gb USB sticks selling for as little as £15 it could be worthwhile. You should see my little 8gb 'stick'. I had an OCZ Mini-Kart which was only 2gb and broke, this one is miles cooler. It's just a little bit bigger than a fingertip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Carl0s speaks wise words. Trying to get Vista working will be a PITA and probably not worth it for the one task I want to do! Re: Fedora (and other bootable from USB stick distros). Will they run without causing issue with already installed distro. I fancy trying a few out (I'm an OS tart) and using them on a USB seems like a great way to go about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 8GB? Yes that is rather small, 32GB ones are available now you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Re: Fedora (and other bootable from USB stick distros). Will they run without causing issue with already installed distro. I fancy trying a few out (I'm an OS tart) and using them on a USB seems like a great way to go about it. Yes, plus they will have access to the local disks so you can copy stuff between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Carl0s speaks wise words. Trying to get Vista working will be a PITA and probably not worth it for the one task I want to do! Re: Fedora (and other bootable from USB stick distros). Will they run without causing issue with already installed distro. I fancy trying a few out (I'm an OS tart) and using them on a USB seems like a great way to go about it. Most linux ditro's now have a "Live CD" that you can just boot from and try out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Right, I'll order a USB stick tonight. Which distros shall I try out? I've got Ubuntu 8.04 and I'd like to try Fedore and Suse. What others and are there any major differences between them? If they are all Linux based how much variation can there be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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