JustGav Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Nah, not for me, I don't have the patience and again I've not seen any real difference in performance either. If I wanted to go down that route, I'd probably give Linux From Scratch a go http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ I may do at some point anyway if I get the time, to help me learn more about Linux. This is it, as I've gotten older I've lost interest in 'tuning the cycles out of it'... I'm at the point where Ubuntu works nicely for me... I put the CD in and it works. (Desktop client side) On the server side I'd consider Gentoo though purely for the fact that I found RedHat got a bit bloaty and started to head down the windows route of just throwing pretty much everything on the server. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I did have a go at Gentoo once, and I got a really cool feeling of super-powers and stuff, and I liked the default hi-res framebuffer console with the gentoo logo at the top, but I agree with you that a good fully featured working desktop out of the box is good enough now and I don't really have any inclination to go back to emerging and all that stuff again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 I know about evolution-exchange, but it's a waste of time. It doesn't work right and it uses HTTP/WebDav or whatever it's called (OWA). There's now a proper MAPI implementation on the way, some sort of collaboration with the samba folks (http://www.openchange.org/ ). Yeah it's not great, but it does work... most of the time. Thanks for the OpenExchange link, I'd not seen that before. I'm interested in the NetSupport thing though. Last time I looked there was a client available, which I suspected was just a tweaked VNC, but no Control. I'll have another look. Thanks for the heads up I'm using the version 8 client, but I notice they're up to version 10 now. It lets me control other servers fine, but you can't do file transfers, copying clipboard, local printer mapping etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Has anyone else even tried FreeBSD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Has anyone else even tried FreeBSD? We use to have a firewall running netBSD but that was approx 3 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Has anyone else even tried FreeBSD? Yeah, I used to use it all the time for firewalls, since back in the day FreeBSD was supposed to always have the better network stack (in fact it was supposed to have the best just after Sun's implementation)... I guess I just preferred linux as I could get my head round it's layout a bit better, and once I started hacking source code well I confined myself to linux on that one as I couldn't do with trying to learn two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Has anyone else even tried FreeBSD? Yes, again a long time ago though, hardware support was severely lacking I found. I seem to remember I couldn't get my network or sound card to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Has anyone else even tried FreeBSD? I had a go once, and I have a couple of sites using pfSense which is a FreeBSD based firewall distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 It makes a fantastic server (not just a firewall) and v7 is shaping up to be very good after the relatively poor v6 performance. No good for a desktop though, that's what Macs are for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBDJ Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Has anyone else even tried FreeBSD? Yes, I have various web servers that run it, as does my pfSense firewall Ports is a very good and flexible package system IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 22, 2008 Author Share Posted April 22, 2008 Going slightly back on/off topic I found this story interesting. In a security conference hacking contest a macbook air with leopard fell in two minutes. A vista machine was hacked the following day but an Ubuntu machine flummoxed everyone! http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/13702/14726/Ubuntu-laptops-wins-hacking-contest.phtml http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39375171,00.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 So, how are you liking ubuntu so far, Martin? Prompted by this thread, I've installed 8.04HH myself and it seems OK so far. For some reason it can't 'see' one of my HDDs - even though it's the disk I've installed ubuntu on but apart from that the hardware support seems to have improved a lot since I last tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Going slightly back on/off topic I found this story interesting. In a security conference hacking contest a macbook air with leopard fell in two minutes. A vista machine was hacked the following day but an Ubuntu machine flummoxed everyone! http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/13702/14726/Ubuntu-laptops-wins-hacking-contest.phtml http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39375171,00.htm Yes that did come under my radar, it's kind of a shame that they had already tested and they knew exactly what they were going to do to exploit it before the contest though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Prompted by this thread, I've installed 8.04HH myself and it seems OK so far. For some reason it can't 'see' one of my HDDs - even though it's the disk I've installed ubuntu on but apart from that the hardware support seems to have improved a lot since I last tried it. That sounds strange, does it not list it under /media ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 "We could have chosen any of those three but had to make a judgement call on which would be the easiest and decided it would be Leopard. Every time I look for [a flaw in Leopard] I find one. I can't say the same for Linux or Windows. I found the iPhone bug a year ago and that was a Safari bug as well. I've also found other bugs in QuickTime." OMG but I thought Mac's were teh bestest thing evar? I'll stick with Linux and let the fashion conscious people follow the fruit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 That contest was weighted... the rules were that if hacked it you owned it...ie you win the Mac...or the Ubuntu generic box...guess which one the magpie's wanted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 That contest was weighted... the rules were that if hacked it you owned it...ie you win the Mac...or the Ubuntu generic box...guess which one the magpie's wanted! Possibly, but I still don't buy it.... anyway, that was compromised after a couple of minutes or so. The competition was over 3 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 So, how are you liking ubuntu so far, Martin? Prompted by this thread, I've installed 8.04HH myself and it seems OK so far. For some reason it can't 'see' one of my HDDs - even though it's the disk I've installed ubuntu on but apart from that the hardware support seems to have improved a lot since I last tried it. Woah. Hold your horses, Sir. I'm not the speediest person on the planet. First I need a larger HDD which should be here soon. I won't d/l HH until the weekend due to bandwidth usage. It's a fair size and doing it off-peak (after midnight) will not count towards my monthly usage. I'll have it done soon. Still need to work out which firewall to get though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 It's only a single CD ISO image, get it downloaded (The Xubuntu image should be smaller too) Although saying that probably best waiting for the final version tomorrow. I don't know if HH will come with a different preferred firewall but you can always just install GuardDog from the repositories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 It's a time thing too. 700mb is something to be done at the weekend rather than a worknight. Plus 700mb is 3/4 of an average weeks usage for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/804rc#head-a1ab2f26d9a7785e3570aec6974de7ad07e55002 The Ubuntu 8.04 release candidate includes ufw (Uncomplicated Firewall), a new host-based firewall application configurable from the command line which is designed to make administering a firewall easier for end users while not getting in the way of network administrators. I'm not sure if "Configurable from the command line" means you can only configure it via the command line or if there's a GUI app though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Did some more looking up on this new ufw and someone on the forums raised a very good point. By default, unless you add a web server or something Ubuntu isn't listening for anything over the network (you're not going to get any dodgy spyware wanting to talk back out onto the network either), so there's little point in having a firewall. ufw would seem to just be a simple command line tool to set up IPTables rules anyway (part of the kernel). If you really want to set up a firewall then Firestarter would seem to be the preferred Ubuntu GUI of choice (easier to use than GuardDog). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 Ubuntu isn't listening for anything over the network (you're not going to get any dodgy spyware wanting to talk back out onto the network either), so there's little point in having a firewall. I don't understand. Laymans terms if you'd be so kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I don't understand. Laymans terms if you'd be so kind. With windows there are several network ports open by default for netbios/windows file & printer sharing/RPC etc. Ubuntu doesn't have any of this by default so unless you enable desktop sharing or something like that there's no open ports on the network, so nothing for anybody to connect to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 24, 2008 Author Share Posted April 24, 2008 Latest full release has just gone live. That's my weekend sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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