Lbm Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I do think thou that fear is the only way to control people like this. Why do you think religion came about to control people by fear of not going to heaven. Well fear of the Gods anyway USA is a rather religious country, but fear of God does not appear to be a deterrent. What about the USA? a lot of people aren't scared of dying but could be scared of being tortured or put in 1m X 1m room for 23hrs a day. Death is quick punishment should be long. Do you really think that people with serious issues, who probably end up in prison are worried about being put in a 1x1 m room at the time of their crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daston Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Sod it give all the murdering buggers nasty hard labour in mining penal colonies or something, worked for the Romans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 You should go. It's a lovely safe place with no murders and a near zero crime rate, due to them having the death penalty and that. Unlike over here where prisoners play pool and watch Sky TV all day while waiting for their next steak dinner to arrive. Apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 How come there's no car crime in Japan? What do they do to stop it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dane_stone Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 USA is a rather religious country, but fear of God does not appear to be a deterrent. Do you really think that people with serious issues, who probably end up in prison are worried about being put in a 1x1 m room at the time of their crime? People don't belive in God for the right reason any more. They do it because they think it makes them a better person. Religion means nothing. (I don't think this applys to every one just in general) I don't think knowing your going to be locked up in a 1x1 m room will stop everyone but it would make me feel better knowing that they are suffering every day of there lives like the familys of the people they kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 How come there's no car crime in Japan? What do they do to stop it? Street warriors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 You should go. It's a lovely safe place with no murders and a near zero crime rate, due to them having the death penalty and that. Unlike over here where prisoners play pool and watch Sky TV all day while waiting for their next steak dinner to arrive. Apparently. of course theres always one! you cheeky monkey but then again, we werent talking about the usa we were talking about the UK- (and just so we clear it up- the whole steak dinner thing was an obvious quote to show how easy they get it)--- im not sayin liturally time is easy- im sayin its comfortable. we knwo they get tv and probably sky tv- shoot i dont get sky tv at home ya know.. someone said on here that it cost 30K per prison per year... that like one working guys (avg) salary...i think the whole point we are makin here is that when did prison start being comfortable- its not supposed to be. how can it be a deherrent and rehabiltion when theres nothing for them to work back and actually repay.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 People don't belive in God for the right reason any more. They do it because they think it makes them a better person. Religion means nothing. (I don't think this applys to every one just in general) According to you, they didn't believe in religion for the right reason the first time round either- namely fear. I don't think knowing your going to be locked up in a 1x1 m room will stop everyone but it would make me feel better knowing that they are suffering every day of there lives like the familys of the people they kill. yeah dane_stone for president Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Nope... I personally believe public floggings are an answer.. and yes I do actually mean that. All these little scrots that get drunk and cause trouble on a friday night...arrest them, and then saturday morning in the town square they get 10 lashes... What with the public humilation and pain, they perhaps might learn that there anti-social and recreational violence won't be allowed... (Rinse and repeat) But then some people would say I'm being extremist and that is just town on an evening.... I certainly wouldn't, i quite agree! and I'm also for capital punishment, despite the cry of what about the Birmingham six etc, yes there will always be a margin of error, but i would rather see all the murdering/kidy fiddling murdering scum exterminated rather than kept at the publics expense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 yes there will always be a margin of error, but i would rather see all the murdering/kidy fiddling murdering scum exterminated rather than kept at the publics expense! So if you were minding your own business and were arrested because your dna happened to be somewhere near a murder scene and you were accused of the said murder, you'd be happy to be killed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 We just need to empower the police on the street to give the scum a good kicking. That's the way that it used to be done and the reason why they used to respect the police and authority. Yes, the police will get it wrong on occasion - but more often than not, they know who the bad guys are, they're just not allowed to do anything about it for fear of repercussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=29761 I think i'm allowed that one, it's been over three years:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 How come there's no car crime in Japan? What do they do to stop it? I was told that when I bought my Supra "£450 to fit an alarm, as they never come with them, no car crime in Japan you see." If there's no car crime, how come theres a massive stream of stolen Jap cars going through the Middle East? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Heres my viewpoint... Not a huge fan of the death penality, its the easy way out. If it was imposed, what happens if: Someone breaks into your something happens and they die and the root cause of their death is something that you did...??? However, much stricter penalities would be good. Take a hand from thieving bastards (starting wih the government, for robbing us blind with taxes)... Murderers, get drugs testing (save the animals), lose of human rights, no sunlight, nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Well, like in certain states of US, there's a lengthy process to get the death penalty. You don't get it for any old murder, there needs to be motive, pre-meditation, understanding of the crime you've committed etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 If it was imposed, what happens if: Someone breaks into your something happens and they die and the root cause of their death is something that you did...??? You wouldn't get the DP for that though, it'd only be as mentioned pre-meditated murder. I also think manslaughter shouldn't be punished at all, it's accidental death at the end of the day, putting someone away for accidental death is stupid it's not going to make them a better person because they didn't mean to do it in the first place!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 How come there's no car crime in Japan? What do they do to stop it? In Japan if you break the law the police call your parents, family and your employers and it brings great shame upon you. Nobody likes to be shown as being a lawbreaker, it's dishonourable and shameful. The problem we face in the UK at the moment is that many people who commit crimes don't appear to feel any shame, nor care about their victims. I think this is because of a lack of discipline and morals instilled into children by their parents and teachers, who have increasingly had their hands tied in this regard in recent years by human rights legislation and the pc brigade. I sincerely hope that the death penalty will NEVER be allowed in this country. To allow it again will be a backwards step towards the dark ages. It prevents nothing, it solves nothing. Go and live in Iran if you want public floggings and death penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 So if you were minding your own business and were arrested because your dna happened to be somewhere near a murder scene and you were accused of the said murder, you'd be happy to be killed? Very over simplified and expected response, and i would hope that investigation methods would have moved on somewhat by the time it was implemented, which we all know won't be anytime soon, so kind of a moot point really, but yes i would be prepared to except possibility if it meant that this country and the world would be a safer place, and people could move around freely at any time of day/night without fearing for their safety/life. But as we are talking slightly in the fantasy realms, then hopefully by that time behaviour modification would be a real option to crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukeyboy2k Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I also think manslaughter shouldn't be punished at all, it's accidental death at the end of the day, putting someone away for accidental death is stupid it's not going to make them a better person because they didn't mean to do it in the first place!!! I don't know if you're joking or not, but I'll respond as if you were being serious. I think manslaughter should definitely be punished. People should be held responsible for their actions - especially death (even if it was not intentional). I would think there are very few cases where manslaughter is a result of a freak accident. Most are caused by doing dangerous things, not paying attention, taking needless risks, disregarding the safety of others etc. Surely one has to be held accountable for their actions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Very over simplified and expected response Indeed it was a simplistic response to a simplistic statement grouping all 'murdering scum' together. It was the 'margin for error' bit that I was most disturbed by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I don't know if you're joking or not, but I'll respond as if you were being serious. I think manslaughter should definitely be punished. People should be held responsible for their actions - especially death (even if it was not intentional). I would think there are very few cases where manslaughter is a result of a freak accident. Most are caused by doing dangerous things, not paying attention, taking needless risks, disregarding the safety of others etc. Surely one has to be held accountable for their actions? mind you manslaughter has been used as a charge when it wasnt accidental... i think uve gotta look at the fact that if for instand u were being attacked with a chainsaw and u punched a guy in the throat and suffered a broken wind pipe and died.. im pretty sure their not gonna give u a sentence. where as ur angry at someone and their anry at u and ur fighting and u stab them with knife.. thats more malicious harm than intent. yeh u didnt mean to kill them but ur motive behind it was to cause another person harm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Well obviously it depends on the crime and circumstances, but take death by dangerous driving for example, if you kill someone in a car when speeding, you should get a penalty similar to that of speeding, getting 14 years isn't going to make you sorry and not want to kill anyone in the future because you didn't want to kill anyone in the first place!!!!! If you're running down the road firing a machine gun randomly into crowds of people, and you 'accidentally' hit one and kill them, you'd expect to get a long prison term related to a psychopathic killing spree, even though you didn't necessarily intend to kill that particular person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 mind you manslaughter has been used as a charge when it wasnt accidental... i think uve gotta look at the fact that if for instand u were being attacked with a chainsaw and u punched a guy in the throat and suffered a broken wind pipe and died.. im pretty sure their not gonna give u a sentence. where as ur angry at someone and their anry at u and ur fighting and u stab them with knife.. thats more malicious harm than intent. yeh u didnt mean to kill them but ur motive behind it was to cause another person harm... Its not that simple. If you hear a noise downstairs, pick up a knife, find someone in your house, get into a fight and kill them. That is pre-meditation. You took the knife with the intent to do harm.... so not quite so simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 what bout chain- gangs. why cant we get them back on the roads fixing them cutting edges, cleaning roadsides,etc... and not community services as in ur in prison so today u dont get pool table and steak dinner u get to work 15hrs on the roads! on sumother service! You often see things like this in Florida. It always struck me as a superb idea. Doubt it would work in the UK prisons due to the staff shortages etc. Shooting convicts might have a superb financial impact. Imagine how much tax payers money would be saved rather than paying for some child murderer whole has exhausted his appeals and won't be released until he is 350+ years old. We just need to empower the police on the street to give the scum a good kicking. That's the way that it used to be done and the reason why they used to respect the police and authority. Yes, the police will get it wrong on occasion - but more often than not, they know who the bad guys are, they're just not allowed to do anything about it for fear of repercussion. Agree with that too. I also think teachers should have the power to punish naughty children too. I also think manslaughter shouldn't be punished at all, it's accidental death at the end of the day, putting someone away for accidental death is stupid it's not going to make them a better person because they didn't mean to do it in the first place!!! Manslaughter isn't accidental death, it is just not planned or intended or often as the case is, the prosecution realise that it is easier to convict on manslaughter than murder (where direct intent must be shown). The advantage of manslaughter over murder is that the judge has discretion on what to punish you with i.e. severe for 'bad' manslaughters, and a fine for 'good' manslaughters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Well obviously it depends on the crime and circumstances, but take death by dangerous driving for example, if you kill someone in a car when speeding, you should get a penalty similar to that of speeding, getting 14 years isn't going to make you sorry and not want to kill anyone in the future because you didn't want to kill anyone in the first place!!!!! If someone ran over one of your family members or girlfriend would you want them to just walk away with a £60 fine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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