Firestorm Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Its a sickening thought that any human being can be this cruel, abusive and act without conscience. If you dont know this story, Miss Lancaster was beaten to death/ kicked and her boyfriend beaten into a coma by a bunch of chavs because they were goths. Now i get a little bit of abuse from chavs( not that much cos im getting older ), even had one idiot comment on the fact i have dreads, i like to think that im blessed that i havent been into a situation that happend to these too people. I regularly go to what is basically the only Rock venue in our fair city, and its always wise to be wary of the increasingly amount of drunk chavy idiots that roam the streets at 2 in the morning. i also like to think that over the years of being different to the "norm" ive picked up ways of avoiding balant areas where im gonna get abuse. but non the less thes 2 poor guys who got beaten because of what they look like its damn disgrace. it angers me that these guys are not even bothered and imo they need to be harsly locked away. Rip Sophie Lancaster- our thoughts are with your family (a little late i know but just reading on what her bf had to say hits home on what if this happend to you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Well said, just been reading it in the paper this morning. And people wonder why other countries see britain as a bunch of hooligans . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Just read the update in the paper this morning, shocking isnt it how does anyone beat a girl to death for no reason is beyond me.... the wastes of space should get life with no chance of parroll, plus additional for GBH on the lad, NOT to run concurrently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Well said, just been reading it in the paper this morning. And people wonder why other countries see britain as a bunch of hooligans . Clarkson wrote a column once about how Britain is and always has been, a nation highly populated by aggressive thugs. It's horrible how often you see the words 'totally unprovoked' or 'brutal attack' in the news. I just can't understand how other human beings, let alone those in a civialised society, can think it's justifiable to do something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Just read the update in the paper this morning, shocking isnt it how does anyone beat a girl to death for no reason is beyond me.... the wastes of space should get life with no chance of parroll, plus additional for GBH on the lad, NOT to run concurrently Totally! what goes through someones brain, ya know what im gonna liturally kick the life out of this person for no reason- cos im 'ard me. and the most angry thing is that i dont feel they will learn that taking someones life is ... well wrong.. ya know.. prison in this country is a walk in the park. (compared to US prisons or greek prisons) but when did life stop meaing life! ya know life is whats 26 years good behaviour out int 20 maybe? this kids were like what 17 out by 40... riduclous.. they need to be locked away with some harsh pusinhment. not Tv, not pool table, hard time, and not considered parole til what their 80 yers old and no longer deamed a threat to society. and that goes for anyone whos taken another persons life or similar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3DG3CKO ROB Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 It really angers and sickens me to think that people still act like this... everyone deserves the right to do or wear whatever the hell they like without being harrassed or beatten because of it. I don't know what would happen if I came accross a situation like that but there's no way I could walk away and ignore it. These are not decent human beings and should not be treated as such... I hate the way this country molly coddles criminals, someone who violates another persons human rights should have theirs stripped away... lock them up and throw away the key, don't give them an NVQ and Sky TV... It makes me ashamed to be British. RIP Sophie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermonkey Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Its sickening that gangs of cowards roam the streets doing this to people i'm truly disgusted, RIP Sophie:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garetheves Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Winds me up big time. State of this country is shocking and its just one of the many reasons im thinking of packing up and going to Oz/New Zealand next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 agree. RIP Sophie and hope those responsible rot in hell. Scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick001 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 And whats the punishment?? - a few years at HM holiday camps, truley sickening - my thoughts are with this and all the other people who have suffered from this vile and disgusting behaviour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 And whats the punishment?? - a few years at HM holiday camps, truley sickening - my thoughts are with this and all the other people who have suffered from this vile and disgusting behaviour hear hear guys! id like to know as its said above, why we moddul coddule these kids. its says in the report that one of the kids and his mum were laughing a joking about it when being interview by the cops. i mean rite there the Parents- root cause. and im sorry but being 'bored' is not and excuse. we live in a world where we have video games, internet and other things and they blame the fact they are bored... and please explain social clubs.. surely thats nothing more than a catalyst to form gangs! why cant we be harder on this criminals, these scum sucking society... ffs sophie and robert did nothing wrong but walk through a park on their way home... they were different and people hate wants different. ya know its ridiculous.the stupid ironic thing being is that if he had beaten them up in self defence, he would of been punished cos he was older. and now kids carry screwdrivers and knives..(screwdrivers cos its not classed as a weapon but can still inflice the same damage) and more and more guns.. does wanna make u move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 It's horrible how often you see the words 'totally unprovoked' or 'brutal attack' in the news.Nearly all attacks are reported as "unprovoked" though, purely because they're only reporting one side of the story. (I'm not suggesting that this particular attack wasn't unprovoked) prison in this country is a walk in the park. (compared to US prisons or greek prisons) but when did life stop meaing life! It still does in some cases, eg that fella that killed all those prostitutes around Norwich last year. ya know life is whats 26 years good behaviour out int 20 maybe? this kids were like what 17 out by 40... riduclous.. they need to be locked away with some harsh pusinhment. Prison is supposed to rehabilitate as well as punish. It's not supposed to be society's revenge on the offender. What good would keeping them in prison for more than 15 years do them? ...or us; the ones paying the bill? If people were condemned to prison for the rest of their lives, without any discount for good behaviour or confessing or showing repentance, they would have zero incentive to behave themselves inside - it would be chaos and a very dangerous place for Screws and the ODCs. BTW, carrying a screwdriver is classed a weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Winds me up as well. That bloke who was killed lookin' for his dog on NYE, a girl at our work is friends with his good daughter and they're all still distraught over it I just can't understand the mentality of the people who do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Nearly all attacks are reported as "unprovoked" though, purely because they're only reporting one side of the story. (I'm not suggesting that this particular attack wasn't unprovoked) It still does in some cases, eg that fella that killed all those prostitutes around Norwich last year. Prison is supposed to rehabilitate as well as punish. It's not supposed to be society's revenge on the offender. What good would keeping them in prison for more than 15 years do them? ...or us; the ones paying the bill? If people were condemned to prison for the rest of their lives, without any discount for good behaviour or confessing or showing repentance, they would have zero incentive to behave themselves inside - it would be chaos and a very dangerous place for Screws and the ODCs. BTW, carrying a screwdriver is classed a weapon. okay to some degree i do agree with this.. rehabilition yes.. but do you think were missing the core elements of that.. but then why do people wanna leave prison cos they get it better ont he inside on than on the outside in some cases. and yes the taxpayer is paying for the Rehabilition but i sure as well dont feel i am cos they sit on the arses watching sky tv. in some cases- for instances takin another mans life okay not eye for an eye but surely harsher punishment is in order. are these kids gonna learn anything- probably the thing they will learn is ive been hard done by, by the system, the system hates me. are they gonna reflect on what they have done, are they gonna sit in ther comfortable cell and thing OMG i took someones life.. and im sorry i dont think they will.. i dont think they have the mental capacity to do so. So yes rehablitate and reward, but there is a better way of doing it.and harsher sentences for more brutal attacks.. whos to say he wont do it again.. and now its liek ooh get u youve been in prison ur like 50 cent..big up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 For some of the people that commit the crimes they do prison means a better way of life. A guaranteed roof over their head along with steady meals and some income (albeit small). Prison should be a deterrent and at the moment in our Pc human rights world the deterrent isn't there. They should be working the gravel bits breaking rocks or picking litter from the side of the roads or cutting grass, areas that don't require skill just brawn (for the worst offenders). Then maybe the cost of each prisoner (approx £30 k a year) could be reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 This is one for the capital punishment thread! the punishment should fit the crime, especially in this sort of case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelfill Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 The thing that shocked me the most about this case was that the perpetrator's mother was laughing throughout the court case And society wonders why these kids act the way they do RIP Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 The thing that shocked me the most about this case was that the perpetrator's mother was laughing throughout the court case And society wonders why these kids act the way they do RIP Mike I get to see this first hand in my work. It makes me so angry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoff Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I didnt here about this, but, MY GOD! This country is really going down hill. Those little bastards should be beaten to within an inch of their lives and sent to prison for the rest of their days in Thailand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 If anyone can help me find the link to when we discussed this last time I'll merge threads. I can't find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I think you might be mixing up your Goth threads Pete. The last time was about those 2 that got chucked off a bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
and1c Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 If anyone can help me find the link to when we discussed this last time I'll merge threads. I can't find it. It seems to have been deleted Pete as I posted in it and its not there any more.. In reply to the thread though.... This crime is truly despicable. ANY males, be they chavs, homeless kids, middle class or whatever... who can beat to death a woman, regardless of what 'provocation' she may or may not have offered, should get the harshest punishment available. Which sadly due to the ***** up British 'justice' system is not long enough. Im all for going like America on sentencing.....100s of years rather than 10s And they actually have to serve the time they are given in the US (except for early release on parole ) so when they are handed down a massive sentence, it means they will die in jail. In response to the poster who asked why should they be locked up for more than 15 years... 1/ a deterrent to other possible lowlifes who might consider a 'real life' sentence as to be well worth avoiding. Hence they decide not to take a knife around with them and 2/ because they killed someone in cold blood, a female at that. Dont do the crime if you cant do the time is what I say on the matter oh, and bring back capital punishment. Lethal injection or the 'chair' would bring at least some possible offenders up short BEFORE they did the crime IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cossack Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 i wont say what i think should be done, i got roasted for my solution! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.