merckx Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Have a look at the attachments http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:CTFVBApHx-0J:www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/groups/odpm_buildreg/documents/page/odpm_breg_033480.hcsp+electrical+work+in+your+home&hl=en Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynb Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 More Euro Directives brought to us by Pointless Prescott. What is the point of a law which is impossible to enforce? When the law came into force there were exactly 0 councils set up to carry out their duties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 Although some people are capable of this kind of thing, many aren't... I happen to agree with the new law in general and the idea of buying a house that some muppet with no clue has messed about with worries me somewhat. Problem is that some 'muppet' could still have wired it up in the 80's and decide to sell now and they wouldn't need a certificate so what's the point? IMO it's another government con to reduce cash in hand jobs. The sparky not only has to give you a certificate but also has to register the work done and therefore it's all on paper for the tax man to see! Same thing happened with replacement windows a couple of years back. I wouldn't even consider doing it myself if I hadn't got all the info and was 100% sure it was safe, for me and my family more importantly than the next person to buy the house. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Paul- I wasn't suggesting you were the muppet or that you didn't know what you were doing, don't get me wrong. Yes you're right about it being wired in the 80's or even a few months ago by said "muppet" but long term the risk will be reduced... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 in all honesty you'd be better off just running the oven off the 45 amp breaker you suggested and the microwave off the kitchen ring main, a 45 amp double pole switch wont have a fuse in it and in order to run your microwave you'd need to run a radial off of the 6mm circuit into the back of either a switched spur or 13a outlet, in order to connect the microwave, which will need to be fused at 13amps. If you do run this radial off of the 45amp switch, either do it in 2x 2.5t&e or the 6mm. But it's a super dooper Microwave that can pull a max of 15amps ?????? Surely wiring this beauty to a 13 amp outlet is wrong? Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 Paul- I wasn't suggesting you were the muppet or that you didn't know what you were doing, don't get me wrong. Yes you're right about it being wired in the 80's or even a few months ago by said "muppet" but long term the risk will be reduced... Chill ! Don't worry I didn't read it like this although I do bear a striking resemblence to Kermit If I feel happy that I have the correct info and it's safe then I'm well capable of doing as good a job (without the bit of paper) if not then I'll leave well alone, it's worked for me in the past so some poxy new rules that can be got around won't matter. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foodfreak Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 I don't want to pour cold water on this but are you aware that undertaking any electrical work in your home unless you are an NIC electrician is against the law?' It just happens that we have had some NIC electricians at work. I was told that the law now states that only 'competent' ( read qualified) persons may install any wiring. Also that domestic hoseholds are required by law to hold a current NIC test certificate & a more concering issue, that Some insurance companies are refusing to pay out on claims by electrical fires if certificates are not up to date. Big brother gone mad? ....... maybe, but eventually it's going to cost us John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynb Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Never heard of that one before - what is the housing stock of the UK and how many sparks would it take to recertify them all at what intervals? Even Prezza couldn't pass something as mad as that could he? :upside: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toytown Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 It just happens that we have had some NIC electricians at work. I was told that the law now states that only 'competent' ( read qualified) persons may install any wiring. Also that domestic hoseholds are required by law to hold a current NIC test certificate & a more concering issue, that Some insurance companies are refusing to pay out on claims by electrical fires if certificates are not up to date. Sounds like a bit of self importance & scaremongering on their part IMHO. also, don't forget that just because they work for an NIC company, it doesn't mean they have ANY qualifications under their own belt (unlikely but possible). the worst job I EVER saw in 5 years of contracting was a supposed NIC reg company that does 90% airbase work, I invited the MD to meet me (a small contractor) at the property of the retired owners to explain the state of the work -- he refused & I advised them to invite NIC to inspect it - they never bothered !!! My understanding of Part P (after looking into crawling back into contracting last year) is that any "competent" person can still undertake installation work, but a certificate will need to be supplied to the building inspector to satisfy his QC. A competent person does not need to have qualifications, but of course if ever there were a problem, the court would play on the fact that he obviously wasn't qualified. As somebody said ....... it's getting boring Those that need to know more can read plenty at http://www.partp.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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