Supra ST Myster Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Does 6spees N/As exist as standard? If so is there much difference between that and a 5speed apart from 1 gear before the smart arses come along. better ride? does a 5speed manual n/a feel like it needs another gear at top end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 There is a 6 speed NA and I think the box is stronger than the 5 speed, I always felt (waits to get shot down) the 6th gear was a bit of a 'fad' and was not really required, but the Getrag box is very strong if a little clunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra ST Myster Posted March 17, 2008 Author Share Posted March 17, 2008 do you think the 5speed is as hard and clunky as the 6speed? or is it pretty smooth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 From my understanding the 5 speed was a good box but I would defo prefer another gear on the motorway! I was advised that the 6 speed is a little notchy!! Either way, I would rather have 6 gears!! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I find that the ratio on the 6 speed for 1st and 2nd gear to be too aggressive especially with bigger power, it makes them almost useless in all but the best of conditions, second gear needed to be a bit 'longer', the 5 speed has a 'longer' second gear, as for motorway driving, point taken but I do feel the 6th gear could have been a bit longer too as the car sees quite high revs at motorway speeds still which has a bit effect of MPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I find that the ratio on the 6 speed for 1st and 2nd gear to be too aggressive especially with bigger power, it makes them almost useless in all but the best of conditions, second gear needed to be a bit 'longer', the 5 speed has a 'longer' second gear, as for motorway driving, point taken but I do feel the 6th gear could have been a bit longer too as the car sees quite high revs at motorway speeds still which has a bit effect of MPG What? The 6sp sees high revs too? H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 does a 5speed manual n/a feel like it needs another gear at top end? Yeah, IMO anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 What? The 6sp sees high revs too? H. I just feel that the 6th gear could have been a real 'motorway' gear and dropped the revs right back to say 2K rather than the 3K you see at 70ish mph, if you take the overdrive on the Camaro for example although a very different car I know the cars sits at 1900rpm in overdrive at 70mph and therefore is much more fuel efficient (maybe 20MPG ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I just feel that the 6th gear could have been a real 'motorway' gear and dropped the revs right back to say 2K rather than the 3K you see at 70ish mph, if you take the overdrive on the Camaro for example although a very different car I know the cars sits at 1900rpm in overdrive at 70mph and therefore is much more fuel efficient (maybe 20MPG ) Oh right, I just assumed that the 6th gear was an overdrive and therefore motorway driving wouldn't be such a PITA. I don't go that quick on the motorway as I can't stand the engine noise. Looks like the have just divided the 5 gear ratio by 6 then..... H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I have them both. 5 speed is smooth comparing to 6 speed, which is really "clunky". Gears are shorter on 6 speed, but generally you would have to work VERY hard to kill Getrag box. Car is similiar quick on both gearboxes, 6 speed just needs gear changing more often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 There was a table of gear ratios and diff combos that was posted a little while back by Alex I think that gave all the details, I will have a look for it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I find that the ratio on the 6 speed for 1st and 2nd gear to be too aggressive especially with bigger power, it makes them almost useless in all but the best of conditions, second gear needed to be a bit 'longer', the 5 speed has a 'longer' second gear, as for motorway driving, point taken but I do feel the 6th gear could have been a bit longer too as the car sees quite high revs at motorway speeds still which has a bit effect of MPG hence the new v161 i suppose:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 hence the new v161 i suppose:D 6 speed NA have v161 box btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 IMO Tooquicktostops experiences are highlighted as he had a single (i think) turbo with one of these boxes........which i can totally see how the close ratios would be a problem..... The 6th gear as said is not a cruising/low motorway revs gear, the setup is designed to maximise the lower power of the NA engine, by having ratios that mean you never drop out of the na's narrower power band.................its a bit of a gimmick too really...... Best thing about 6 speed na's IMO are they are facelift, have a LSD and often larger uk brakes........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Emin if you are down my way anytime feel free to pop by and have a go in my 6 speed.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 IMO Tooquicktostops experiences are highlighted as he had a single (i think) turbo with one of these boxes........which i can totally see how the close ratios would be a problem..... The 6th gear as said is not a cruising/low motorway revs gear, the setup is designed to maximise the lower power of the NA engine, by having ratios that mean you never drop out of the na's narrower power band.................its a bit of a gimmick too really...... Best thing about 6 speed na's IMO are they are facelift, have a LSD and often larger uk brakes........... I was running the Auto box on the single car at first but the Torque destroyed that, I swopped for a 6 speed but had an incorrect diff fitted which saw red line at 90mph in 4th gear Got it all sorted now but you are right the six gear is not an 'overdrive' motorway gear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p111ddy Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 If you fancy a go in a 5speed then you know where mine is mate & thanks again for the other week aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_p Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I would offer, but I think i'm a bit too far away, but if we are ever at the same meet your welcome to test drive mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra ST Myster Posted March 17, 2008 Author Share Posted March 17, 2008 cheers Scot may take you up on that the one i have seen is a sz-r for 3300, pic below so cant tell but does that mean it has the bucket seats and it will be a 6 speed? says its a lift back on the ad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 ive driven both and found the 6 speed a bit annoying. felt like i was constantly changing gear and always in the wrong one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlton Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Is the 6 speed NA box the same as the 6 speed TT box? If so that could save a pennies on a conversion..... Mines only a 5 speed but I'm thinking of dropping that into a TT aero next year. I'm guessing that should be fun with the closer gearing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Is the 6 speed NA box the same as the 6 speed TT box? If so that could save a pennies on a conversion..... Yes, newer version of TT one, Getrag v161. When upgrading your NA to TT, you will just need to change diff to TT one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee from China Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 been discussed before - see here http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=138104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra ST Myster Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 also is all N/As with the aerotop autos as well like the TTs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlton Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 also is all N/As with the aerotop autos as well like the TTs? yeah, all aero's are autos from the factory except from the US where they had manuals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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