Suprash Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I had a few issues with my S13 engine, namely the AFM was playing up, ended up having to drive her hard while she was massively overfuled, drank over a 1/4 tank in like under 10 miles, foot to the floor, 1bar of boost and was only getting 40mph out of her, anyway, seems this has caused excessive bore wash. On cold compression she is fine, but as soon as she gets warm she doesnt run well. ToyotaGT have a done the usual leak down/compression tests and have said she would need a re-build, Im guessing for things like piston rings etc, not too sure what has to be done for a rebuild regarding excessive bore wash, but when I enquired with them on a rough cost to get my engine running again £1400 was the ball park figure, hence why I have bought another S13 engine for £400. So this leaves me with my engine, and Im not sure what I should do with it ? Bin it ? Take it home, strip it down, maybe build it slowly over time and learn more about engines. I lake a comprehensive took kit and engine cranes and stuff...... She is ony my drift car so want to run her on a shoe string.....but feel this engine could be a good learning tool ? Flog it on, could I get anything for it, is it worth anything.....? Just thought I would see whats peoples opinions ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Not really - the old CA18DET is really out of popularity over on sxoc.com with more and more S13 owners transplanting SR20DET's, RB25DET's and even RB26DET's. Oh and the odd v8 like what's now in my old one!!! I've stripped and rebuilt a few CA18's with a few of the other members from sxoc - they're nice engines to work on and you can get the engine with box out in a couple of hours. Give rebuilding it a go - if it's bore wash then the block will need machined so strip the engine down and get the block and crank off to a machine shop to see if the cylinders need a re-bore to bring them into round and if the crank needs ground etc. and go from there. Uprate the bottom end as that's it's weakness - pistons, rods, bearings all sized according to the machine work. It's worth overhauling the head with new valves too as the exhaust ones are prone to burning. Cheers, Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Artermis Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 have a play with it, what you got to lose? worst comes to worst you got a big bag of spares sat on ya bench. and if you get it right you got a good engine that you can tweek and tune up to a respectable lesson and you've learnt a great deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waderz06 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 A friend of mine has had three CA18DET engines and the bottom end went on all three! They just seem like really unreliable engines and probably not worth you spending too much money on it. He's in the process of fitting a 300ZX TT engine now. An all round better engine which he only paid £1000 for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 Yeah, its just how much money I would end up throwing at it, but I suppose bit by bit over time isnt so bad....... TDR, would you have any idea of the costs involved if I had to get the work done to the cylinders like you said, and possibly getting the crank re-ground for new shells. Obviously then ontop I would have the cost of new pistons/shells/shims and shit for the head, excuse my lack of knowledge lol........but just trying to gauge what cost I would be looking at to get the block to a good state ready for uprated/new parts.......if you see what Im trying to say ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Ash, I'm considering something similar purely because Mel wants to keep the S13, so it may end up being her track toy. I have said I want the engine rebuilt before I hand it over to her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 A friend of mine has had three CA18DET engines and the bottom end went on all three! They just seem like really unreliable engines and probably not worth you spending too much money on it. He's in the process of fitting a 300ZX TT engine now. An all round better engine which he only paid £1000 for. I just bought a rebuilt CA18DET engine, new shells, Wiseco pistons etc for 400 quid, at the price for that Im not too bothered if it throws its shells or something, but if I find it does happen again, I would probably go with the more common swap of an RB engine...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 Ash, I'm considering something similar purely because Mel wants to keep the S13, so it may end up being her track toy. I have said I want the engine rebuilt before I hand it over to her. Re-build buddies.... Im probably going to do it, how far I would get and how quickly it gets done probably wont be too quick, cant afford to throw money at it so when ever I have some spare cash, fpmsl, spare cash, cant remember the last time I actually had any lol, but I will keep a detailed log and pics and do it slowly over a year say...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra matt Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I just bought a rebuilt CA18DET engine, new shells, Wiseco pistons etc for 400 quid, at the price for that Im not too bothered if it throws its shells or something, but if I find it does happen again, I would probably go with the more common swap of an RB engine...... Hi Ash that's my mates engine you just brought also has a t28 on it . Your looking at £40+ for a crank regrind and about £60 UP for the block work , Have a look on apex for the parts you could do the rebuild for about £900 ish depending on parts used . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra matt Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 http://www.apexperformance.co.uk/catalog/default.php?cPath=120_451_130_151_236&PHPSESSID=826e13449e7472113dad06ecc56522de Here you go mate, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 Hi Ash that's my mates engine you just brought also has a t28 on it . Your looking at £40+ for a crank regrind and about £60 UP for the block work , Have a look on apex for the parts you could do the rebuild for about £900 ish depending on parts used . Was wondering who is was on here that he knew, he said his mate was a Supra owner and vacated this board......... Yeah I dropped the engine off at ToyotaGT yesterday evening, looked a nice clean block, so just hope it all turns out good, cant afford to throw anymore money down the drain, and after only just buying this S13 in December money is already slipping down the pan......havent even got to drift the ruddy thing yet, but Im now already eying up the next DWYB at Santa Pod in March, hopefully it will be ready for then....... Yeah not looked into it too much regarding the T28 vs the T25 turbo, my ECU is stage1 with the T25 I believe, so will need to read up and learn a bit more about the car on SXOC to see what gains I can make out of this turbo...... Got the VLSD diff in ready now as well, so Im so close to drifting her yet still so far lol.....Im itching its killing me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 On cold compression she is fine, but as soon as she gets warm she doesnt run well. ToyotaGT have a done the usual leak down/compression tests and have said she would need a re-build, Im guessing for things like piston rings etc, not too sure what has to be done for a rebuild regarding excessive bore wash, but when I enquired with them on a rough cost to get my engine running again £1400 was the ball park figure, hence why I have bought another S13 engine for £400. Ash, I'm considering something similar purely because Mel wants to keep the S13, so it may end up being her track toy. I have said I want the engine rebuilt before I hand it over to her. Add another one to list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Add another one to list Sorry to read that Gav. The very reason I put mine back to standard and got rid - too much bloody fixing the thing and not enough time spent enjoying it! Frail cars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Sorry to read that Gav. The very reason I put mine back to standard and got rid - too much bloody fixing the thing and not enough time spent enjoying it! Frail cars... This is the thing, it was completely standard... BUT thinking about it the car did get the JamieP driving experience and I did properly kill it yesterday. I was hoping it was just a coilpack misfire issue but it wasn't. I'll check the compression tomorrow but I'm not holding much hope for two of them. The oil is contaiminated to hell and gone and is probably highly flammable And if I'm being honest, it started acting up yesterday morning and I still drove for 200 miles, I figured if it was going to go it might as well go with style (if it wasn't the coilpacks). On a good note, I have just got myself a mk2 mr2 which I will get hopefully get tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted March 4, 2008 Author Share Posted March 4, 2008 Cant believe yours went the same way Gav, they do seem very frail dont they, it doesnt leave me much hope for you newer built engine thats waiting to go in. And it seems it doesnt take many miles for them to be driven while missfiring that they then suffer excessive bore wash...... Have you spoke to James at ToyotaGt yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Cant believe yours went the same way Gav, they do seem very frail dont they, it doesnt leave me much hope for you newer built engine thats waiting to go in. And it seems it doesnt take many miles for them to be driven while missfiring that they then suffer excessive bore wash...... Have you spoke to James at ToyotaGt yet ? I haven't yet, but I'm going to just get shot of the car... tempted to take it out and finish it completely till a rod comes out. ... But yeah, very very frail when it comes this borewash story.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted March 4, 2008 Author Share Posted March 4, 2008 I haven't yet, but I'm going to just get shot of the car... tempted to take it out and finish it completely till a rod comes out. ... But yeah, very very frail when it comes this borewash story.... Mmmmm, what bits do I need lol......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Mmmmm, what bits do I need lol......... hahahahhaa £250 you can have a car's worth of spares, new front calipers, LSD, hell I'll even throw in the radio In all honesty, I reckon I'll probably take off the good bits, tyres, diff, exhaust, calipers, tubby and flog it... Dunno... choices, choices... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprash Posted March 4, 2008 Author Share Posted March 4, 2008 hahahahhaa £250 you can have a car's worth of spares, new front calipers, LSD, hell I'll even throw in the radio In all honesty, I reckon I'll probably take off the good bits, tyres, diff, exhaust, calipers, tubby and flog it... Dunno... choices, choices... Mate I havent even got £250 spare for spares.......lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
and1c Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Not wanting to worry you but if you dont have a VERY comprehensive tool set acquired over a number of years...then I wouldnt bother trying to rebuild the engine ive got a lot of ££££ worth of tools from over 15 years collecting and I still find Im short the odd tool from time to time! It makes it economically un-viable UNLESS you want to invest a lot of £££ and of course learn the xxxyyy knowledge about how you can fix and rebuild the engine.... (cant be bought like the tools!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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