Lewis Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 The thread has been locked (and rightly so), I just wanted to post specifics about the topic of live herp food, mods: if the thread comes back locked or unlocked, it would be good if the specifics of feeding (minus my opinions) were added to make sure the right info is available: .... Right, there are some live foods allowed (such as amphibians, fish and insects) for some types of reptiles. Insects are allowed for all reptiles. It is also legal to feed live foods such as mice to all reptiles where it is their natural (or near natural) prey and the reptile will not feed on frozen food (Defra say that you must continue to try to feed on frozen food until a vet advises otherwise). We had to do this with the caimen and yellow anaconda as both were wild caught and would not eat dead prey. For the purposes of entertainment this is a pretty poor show IMHO. Reptiles and their owners get a bad press for precisely this reason. Ill informed (or mannered) owners who believe that improper treatment of their herp is funny to others. Feeding live rodents to snakes and large lizards is dangerous. Particularly for captive bred animals who's instincts differ. They can be severely injured by bites and kicks from prey. We have to feed live and frozen (the anaconda is now on chickens and rabbits) and given a choice I would rather she ate frozen but we were having to force feed her and she was losing weight rapidly. I think your friend should consider the welfare of his pet before continuing to feed it in this way, and his responsibilities as an owner before filming it. All IMHO If anyone owns herps, particularly rare/difficult species, feel free to ask me ANY questions and I will be happy to help. And can provide "holiday home" for most things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Please excuse the typo in the thread title - fixed by the mighty pink one now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tones Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Bit of an animal lover so eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 The thread has been locked (and rightly so), I just wanted to post specifics about the topic of live herp food, mods: if the thread comes back locked or unlocked, it would be good if the specifics of feeding (minus my opinions) were added to make sure the right info is available: .... Right, there are some live foods allowed (such as amphibians, fish and insects) for some types of reptiles. Insects are allowed for all reptiles. It is also legal to feed live foods such as mice to all reptiles where it is their natural (or near natural) prey and the reptile will not feed on frozen food. We had to do this with the caimen and yellow anaconda as both were wild caught and would not eat dead prey. For the purposes of entertainment this is a pretty poor show IMHO. Reptiles and their owners get a bad press for precisely this reason. Ill informed (or mannered) owners who believe that improper treatment of their herp is funny to others. Feeding live rodents to snakes and large lizards is dangerous. Particularly for captive bred animals who's instincts differ. They can be severely injured by bites and kicks from prey. We have to feed live and frozen (the anaconda is now on chickens and rabbits) and given a choice I would rather she ate frozen but we were having to force feed her and she was losing weight rapidly. I think your friend should consider the welfare of his pet before continuing to feed it in this way, and his responsibilities as an owner before filming it. All IMHO If anyone owns herps, particularly rare/difficult species, feel free to ask me ANY questions and I will be happy to help. And can provide "holiday home" for most things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 makes me wonder about why you would have such an animal for a pet in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 makes me wonder about why you would have such an animal for a pet in the first place? Imo They are interesting, easyish to keep (well mine are) and generally hassle free. And i use them in my pole dancing show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 makes me wonder about why you would have such an animal for a pet in the first place? Preservation of rare and threatened species, establishing new morphs and rescues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 There are various reasons to keep snakes. People keep cats and dogs which are alot harder to look after imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian R Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 makes me wonder about why you would have such an animal for a pet in the first place? I wouldn't want to keep snakes, but then some people may think the same of dogs I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 I wouldn't want to keep snakes, but then some people may think the same of dogs I suppose Mine would chin my dog!! This is the same as my Argentine tegu although mine is a bit bigger than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 The thread has been locked (and rightly so), I just wanted to post specifics about the topic of live herp food, mods: if the thread comes back locked or unlocked, it would be good if the specifics of feeding (minus my opinions) were added to make sure the right info is available: .... Right, there are some live foods allowed (such as amphibians, fish and insects) for some types of reptiles. Insects are allowed for all reptiles. It is also legal to feed live foods such as mice to all reptiles where it is their natural (or near natural) prey and the reptile will not feed on frozen food (Defra say that you must continue to try to feed on frozen food until a vet advises otherwise). We had to do this with the caimen and yellow anaconda as both were wild caught and would not eat dead prey. For the purposes of entertainment this is a pretty poor show IMHO. Reptiles and their owners get a bad press for precisely this reason. Ill informed (or mannered) owners who believe that improper treatment of their herp is funny to others. Feeding live rodents to snakes and large lizards is dangerous. Particularly for captive bred animals who's instincts differ. They can be severely injured by bites and kicks from prey. We have to feed live and frozen (the anaconda is now on chickens and rabbits) and given a choice I would rather she ate frozen but we were having to force feed her and she was losing weight rapidly. I think your friend should consider the welfare of his pet before continuing to feed it in this way, and his responsibilities as an owner before filming it. All IMHO If anyone owns herps, particularly rare/difficult species, feel free to ask me ANY questions and I will be happy to help. And can provide "holiday home" for most things. Spot on. I was just about to write something like that in the other thread before it got locked, not in anywhere as much detail though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Just found another funny pic: sadly I don't own a frilled lizard but I can imagine it making a good guard dog! http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/animals/images/primary/frilled-lizard.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Did anyone see the green tree python on Life in cold blood last night? Beutiful. And FAO Lewis, If you saw it, what was that peach coloured snake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Did anyone see the green tree python on Life in cold blood last night? Beutiful. And FAO Lewis, If you saw it, what was that peach coloured snake? I didn't I'm afraid. Was it an emerald tree boa the green one? Prettest arboreal snake ever IMHO, I'll find a pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 I didn't I'm afraid. Was it an emerald tree boa the green one? Prettest arboreal snake ever IMHO, I'll find a pic Could of been a boa, I always thought they were Pythons Its the first picture, All these are stunning. I wonder where you could get one from? I especially like the red one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian R Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Mine would chin my dog!! http://www.jaysanimalencounters.co.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/MaleTegu3.jpg This is the same as my Argentine tegu although mine is a bit bigger than this. It would chin me as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 http://www.reptilespecialists.com/IMG_0897.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Could of been a boa, I always thought they were Pythons Boas (or rather boidae SP?) are pythons in taxonomy. It's an emerald boa (orallus caninus) or an tree python IIRC Morelia vridis which used to be classified differently as Chondropython viridis EDIT - grrrr it seems that pythonidae are no longer considered to be a sub-family of boidae thereby making my previous comment irrelevant. Although next week taxonomy will say that they are one in the same. Good job I don't do this for a living, it's far too complicated lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Did you see the pics in post 15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Did you see the pics in post 15? No I didn't I just looked. It could be either, both snakes look VERY similar and sit in the tree in that classic elliptical coil. I would say that if it was exactly that snake then it's most likley a tree python. Here's another of an emerald boa to show the similarity: http://www.gherp.com/gherp/add/emerald_tree_boaed.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 No I didn't I just looked. It could be either, both snakes look VERY similar and sit in the tree in that classic elliptical coil. I would say that if it was exactly that snake then it's most likley a tree python. Here's another of an emerald boa to show the similarity: http://www.gherp.com/gherp/add/emerald_tree_boaed.jpg Can they be sold in the UK? I havent seen anyone selling them before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Can they be sold in the UK? I havent seen anyone selling them before. Yeah, I can recommend someone if you are genuinely interested. You need to build a custom viv though, they need a lot of height (but not floor space) and plenty of foliage and humidity. They hail from the amazon. It's not the easist to keep but not the hardest either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Yeah, I can recommend someone if you are genuinely interested. You need to build a custom viv though, they need a lot of height (but not floor space) and plenty of foliage and humidity. They hail from the amazon. It's not the easist to keep but not the hardest either. custom viv is not a problem, my boss is a joiner. I will do some research first and then get back to you for a price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-K Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Preservation of rare and threatened species, to be fair,if it was legal for me to own a cheetah i would buy one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 to be fair,if it was legal for me to own a cheetah i would buy one It's legal, you just need a DWA, same for the caimen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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