The Raven Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Is anyone else worried that this guy is indeed about to race at 4am down a no doubt icy duel carrage way? to what seems to be 130+? Who cares if he thinks he can win you look coolier and faster than his motor, which looks like a big escort with some vents stuck on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geneb Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 fair point thats why i even just took an n/a in px for mine, but they maybe like a big escort but they stick to the road like shit on a blanket and handle like a dream which no supra can claim to be better at, still 4.00am race on ice is pretty f**kin stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 fair point thats why i even just took an n/a in px for mine, but they maybe like a big escort but they stick to the road like shit on a blanket and handle like a dream which no supra can claim to be better at, still 4.00am race on ice is pretty f**kin stupid On a dirt track or a B-road yes but on a racetrack with a proper driver the supra will outhandle a subaru or pretty much any other 4wd rally car. There are video's floating around of evo's spinning off the track in the rain when a sup managed to hold on all the way. The main difference with these cars is how competent the driver is. My gran could handle a 4wd "rally" car in the twisties, its a whole different ballgame when it comes to RWD though. You really need to know what your doing and have balls of steel to drive them REALLY fast. I had an Evo for 6 months. Got bored of it because i could almost fall asleep at 100 mph and still make it home in one piece. In fact it was so good and i got so used to it i almost crashed my dads car doing 30mph and turning into a sidestreet. Damn bouncy megane's. Scott =op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 A drag race over how far? Over a short distance he'll win. not so sure jake, mine at 1 bar walked my mates one from the lights...although reading your other post above, maybe he wasn't driving the car to its potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealth Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 STI is by far the higher spec of the two, The STI comes as standard with 280bhp and the WRX came with about 240 in the UK I believe... might have been 260bhp.... and the STI has better/shorter gear ratio's for acceleration. Anyway A std TT will not beat a 280bhp Impreza off the mark, if you had enough road you might well watch and pass him but I doubt that would be easy either, once the scoob is going and he pays attention to the rolling road graph he has been given he will pull hard all day long....... Untill the bottom end goes Don't bother racing him on a public road mate, it's more agro that it's worth and you just never know who is going to be on the road, I mean, "The Plod" don't sleep mate! and you can't read the road properly all the time, if some donkey has been down there spewing sh*t out of their car you run the risk of ditching it etc! Just agree with him because he is probably right, get your modded a bit and get him on a drag strip (don't do it on track because he will nail you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Dunno mate- dont think its wise to race him down a road in this freakin weather. screw that. i think if its a WRX i think that when you hit that 2nd turbo hes gonna be eating dust. but as most people say its a matter of distance. i supposed you could drive the auto in manual mode tho rite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 STI is by far the higher spec of the two, The STI comes as standard with 280bhp and the WRX came with about 240 in the UK I believe... might have been 260bhp.... and the STI has better/shorter gear ratio's for acceleration. Anyway A std TT will not beat a 280bhp Impreza off the mark, if you had enough road you might well watch and pass him but I doubt that would be easy either, once the scoob is going and he pays attention to the rolling road graph he has been given he will pull hard all day long....... Untill the bottom end goes Don't bother racing him on a public road mate, it's more agro that it's worth and you just never know who is going to be on the road, I mean, "The Plod" don't sleep mate! and you can't read the road properly all the time, if some donkey has been down there spewing sh*t out of their car you run the risk of ditching it etc! Just agree with him because he is probably right, get your modded a bit and get him on a drag strip (don't do it on track because he will nail you) Where are you getting this info from out of curiosity? A TT is quoted as managing 60 in around 5 seconds with a decent driver. In fact Parkers has it down as 4.9 but that would need an amazing launch. The 2.5l WRX is quoted as doing 0-60 in 5.7 and even that isn't as easy as you would think. Plus as its 4wd you will only get a few good launches before you need a new clutch. The WRX has 226bhp and is quoted as managing 60 in 5.7 secs. The STI has 276bhp and is quoted as managing 60 in 5.2 secs. They both have the same gearbox in them as far as i know as the STI tops out at 158 and the WRX tops out at 143 (i'm guessing due to lack of power). Aint no short ratio box thats going to do 158mph without 8 gears lol. Anyway.. The UK Supra TT has 320bhp and is quoted as managing 60 in 4.9 seconds. I think most people will agree that the 0-60 time is optimistic at best for UK roads and normal drivers but the same goes for all cars. I can't think of one point in a race, other than the first 20ft, where a subaru will have the lead if the supra driver gets a good launch and the road is in a decent condition. Oh, transmission losses also come into it greately. As i said earlier, folks on the lancer register reckoned that a 4wd car would lose around 60-80bhp per 300bhp by the time it actually gets to the wheels. I've had an Evo which is faster than any std scoob in a straight line with exception of the WR1. I had an RS V which had the 136mph close ratio box and it was meant to do 0-60 in 4.7 secs. I never timed it but it was quick. Supra is way quicker after about 20. Supra FTW every day of the week as long as the launch is good. Scott =op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Where are you getting this info from out of curiosity? A TT is quoted as managing 60 in around 5 seconds with a decent driver. In fact Parkers has it down as 4.9 but that would need an amazing launch. The 2.5l WRX is quoted as doing 0-60 in 5.7 and even that isn't as easy as you would think. Plus as its 4wd you will only get a few good launches before you need a new clutch. The WRX has 226bhp and is quoted as managing 60 in 5.7 secs. The STI has 276bhp and is quoted as managing 60 in 5.2 secs. They both have the same gearbox in them as far as i know as the STI tops out at 158 and the WRX tops out at 143 (i'm guessing due to lack of power). Aint no short ratio box thats going to do 158mph without 8 gears lol. Anyway.. The UK Supra TT has 320bhp and is quoted as managing 60 in 4.9 seconds. I think most people will agree that the 0-60 time is optimistic at best for UK roads and normal drivers but the same goes for all cars. I can't think of one point in a race, other than the first 20ft, where a subaru will have the lead if the supra driver gets a good launch and the road is in a decent condition. Oh, transmission losses also come into it greately. As i said earlier, folks on the lancer register reckoned that a 4wd car would lose around 60-80bhp per 300bhp by the time it actually gets to the wheels. I've had an Evo which is faster than any std scoob in a straight line with exception of the WR1. I had an RS V which had the 136mph close ratio box and it was meant to do 0-60 in 4.7 secs. I never timed it but it was quick. Supra is way quicker after about 20. Supra FTW every day of the week as long as the launch is good. Scott =op based on that! hes got my vote! Supra! for this! Can we get a moderator to put a poll up now lol!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 That's what they all say when they're gripping the rail. Wise words Doug, wise words.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealth Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Where am I getting my information from?!?! Knowledge of the cars and ownership.... not from the back of a magazine! For a start an 02 WRX scoob doesn't have the 2.5L engine in it, it is a 2L flat 4 as per the classics..... the only way that has the 2.5L in it is if it has been converted!!! The gearboxes ARE different, the WRX has a 5 speed box and the STI has a 6 speed box it also has different Diffs as well, the STI has DCCD so if he did have an STI he could manually shove most of the power to the arse end. The poster mentioned that the WRX had been modded, I can only assume that he has had the clutch replaced with something decent as the normal WRX clutches don't last long under high power and high Torque I've had a classic WRX running 310bhp, And Evo 7 GSR running 350bhp and a P1 running 333bhp (after EcuTek) and the P1 was quicker than all of them thanks to the magic of prodrive (again gearbox change from a std STI), it's not down to power alone, it's got alot to do with gearing! For example..... A massivley powered WRX would get battered down a drag strip by a significantly less powered STI RA due to it's gearing, fair play the RA tops out at about 120mph ish but the speed in which it gets there means the WRX has no chance at all and top end is insignificant in a drag race! You are also assuming that the Supra is a UK spec TT, it probably isn't a UK car making it a 280bhp car..... All in all you've got cars that will have very similar figures but the impreza will have traction and weight on his side and my money would be on the impreza, unless you are going to run miles in which case the supra probably would reel it in and then pass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyb10supra Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 You are also assuming that the Supra is a UK spec TT, it probably isn't a UK car making it a 280bhp car..... nope....most including jap specs check out at just over 300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 stock auto TT is around 5.7, 5.9 0-60mph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgtX80 Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 Ok, i thought jap supras & uk supras had the same 325bhp, they just wrote 280 because of that gentlemens agreement about limiting the bhp in japan. GTR-34's get listed as 280bhp too. Found out today that his car actually has 260bhp. Only thing thats been done to is it that it has the tripple p pack on it. Standard exhaust. He said he wouldnt do a standing start because of the wear on the clutch so it would also be a rolling start. I dont even own the car right now (waiting for the guy to call me back), no intention of racing on an icy road...& by race i mean see who pulls away from who & not up to silly speeds & over a short distance, dont worry!, its friendly. Being a 4 speed auto, whats the top speed on the auto version? A lot lower than 155 i bet....130? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Top speed 130??? It's not a NA.. Remember the 155 is limited, stock can hit 175+ afaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgtX80 Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 But its only got 4 gears...manuals have 6 to get it to 155?? im puzzled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Auto's only have 4 gears, but the final gearing is going to be about the same... It can get away with four gears due to the way auto's work with the flux capacitor... torque convertor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-Brett Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Just cos its only got 4 gears doesnt mean it has a low top speed. Theoretical top speed on 6 speed manual and 4 speed auto are around 190-200mph depending on which diff you have. Obviously more than the standard power is required to get there and 175 may be max top speed as std but its way above 155 (if unlimited) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgtX80 Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 Interesting. I know zero about autos. Its all very clever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Ok now i'm getting my info from the back of magazines? Where did you get that one? I clearly stated in my thread where i got my info from and i backed it up with ownership knowledge. Now then, in 2002 the WRX had 221bhp and the STi had 261bhp and the stock times were 5.7 and 5.2 for 60 respectively. Which seems exactly the same to me so makes no difference to my argument. The time listed for the Supra is the official time. If people can't get that time then its either a lie (as a lot of 0-60's are) or they just aren't as good at launching the car as the guy that did the official time. Of course the same will go for the Subaru though. Ok lets stick with facts and less max power name calling.... 2002 Subaru Impreza WRX 5.7 14.4 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi 5.1 13.8 Now for some reason i can't copy and paste the Supra listings but they are as follows 1993 Supra Turbo 4.6 13.1 1994 Supra Turbo 5.3 13.7 1995 Supra Turbo 5.1 13.5 1997 Supra Turbo 5.1 13.6 Oh, just for the N/A guys the quoted time is 6.9 and 15.2 Now of course i don't know if this is Auto or Manual but i can say for certain that an amature will get closer to the stock time with an Auto than they will with a manual. As i said before. Supra FTW. Scott =op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam bell Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=141002 this happened the other day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=141002 this happened the other day Is yours modded or stock Adam? UK Manual iirc? Scott =op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanchan Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 But its only got 4 gears...manuals have 6 to get it to 155?? im puzzled Interesting. I know zero about autos. Its all very clever. They are indeedy very clever, and very fun. FWIW, I believe a manual tops out 3rd gear approx 100, the auto tops out 2nd gear at about 90. As Supra-Brett says, the final gear ratios are about the same if you've got the power and runway to get there. Supra FTW. Even Scooby drivers look admiringly at the Supra, clearly thinking "if only I'd got one of those instead...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam bell Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Is yours modded or stock Adam? UK Manual iirc? Scott =op basic mods full blitz with decats,large front mount,dump valve,filter, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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