JustGav Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 http://allyours.virginmedia.com/sites/hatetowait/index.html I'm just trying to work if they are doing fibre all the way to the door or if they are just cleverly marketing what they currently do, ie fibre to the neighbourhood box and just use cable for the last bit. I can't help but think this is just clever marketing speak and not geniune geek-paradise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Hmmm. 20mb with fibre. Hmmm. Doesn't sound like anything groundbreaking to me unless they install light right up until de-mark (NTE). I can't see how they will achieve this cheaply or effectively in the near future as many, many cables will have to be pulled. I call crafty advertising, selling something they've been selling for a while under a whole new product/description. I'd love to be proved wrong though, that could be interesting in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 Hmmm. 20mb with fibre. Hmmm. Doesn't sound like anything groundbreaking to me unless they install light right up until de-mark (NTE). I can't see how they will achieve this cheaply or effectively in the near future as many, many cables will have to be pulled. I call crafty advertising, selling something they've been selling for a while under a whole new product/description. I'd love to be proved wrong though, that could be interesting in the future. I was thinking that, I know Japan and over more up to date countries do roll out fibre, but I just couldn't believe virgin would offer it to the door. Unless they are planning on rolling it out to those who request it, and just pull the fibre in using the old coax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordy07 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 No you only get fibre optic out on the street once it comes into your house its only cable but it still makes it in a different league to anything through a BT line ive got 20meg just now and a recent speedtest was 17.89 and an average of 12 to 14. Its not clever marketing its been fibre optic cable installed in our streets for years but not in our houses and i doubt it will be in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I was thinking that, I know Japan and over more up to date countries do roll out fibre, but I just couldn't believe virgin would offer it to the door. Unless they are planning on rolling it out to those who request it, and just pull the fibre in using the old coax. Still, that's big man-hours for home users IMO. We've been carrying NTL/Virgin for a while and I haven't heard a whif of this kind of project. Again, in a way I hope I'm wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 No you only get fibre optic out on the street once it comes into your house its only cable but it still makes it in a different league to anything through a BT line ive got 20meg just now and a recent speedtest was 17.89 and an average of 12 to 14. Its not clever marketing its been fibre optic cable installed in our streets for years but not in our houses and i doubt it will be in the future Oh yes, cable will always be a better option, the coax stuff is far better at carrying data than crappy cat3 (at best) phone copper. The DSLAM boxes I know have always been fibre, but there is no reason they couldn't move to fibre at house apart from cost. The reason I quote clever marketing, is because at no stage do they clarify it, I'm so tempted to phone them up tomorrow and argue the toss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 No you only get fibre optic out on the street once it comes into your house its only cable but it still makes it in a different league to anything through a BT line ive got 20meg just now and a recent speedtest was 17.89 and an average of 12 to 14. Its not clever marketing its been fibre optic cable installed in our streets for years but not in our houses and i doubt it will be in the future That's what we're discussing mate... is it light up to the door? I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 No you only get fibre optic out on the street once it comes into your house its only cable but it still makes it in a different league to anything through a BT line ive got 20meg just now and a recent speedtest was 17.89 and an average of 12 to 14. Its not clever marketing its been fibre optic cable installed in our streets for years but not in our houses and i doubt it will be in the future So is BT upto the exchange, it is the last mile bit that is key bit.. ADSL uses heavily filtered and controlled signalling over cable that was never designed to even get near that bandwidth, where as cable uses a correctly rated coax shielded cable. Cable will always surpass adsl. The ironic thing is, if they went fibre to the house, it would probably be the last data lead ever run to the house because of the flexibility of fibre. Bear in mind 10Gb/s DWDM circuits are becoming mainstream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordy07 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 With the cost it would be to do it i doubt it would be practible or profitable for virgin to make this happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 With the cost it would be to do it i doubt it would be practible or profitable for virgin to make this happen So true Wonder if they would notice if I spliced my own fibre into the DSLAM box (which is about 20m from the house) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 TPSA (polish main internet provider) is just started tests of 200 MB connections in 5 main cities based on pure fibre going to your flat. 20MB on fibre is just a laugh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordy07 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Dont you think they should all come together and give us fibre throughout,to exchange,street to door etc then all in all we would all have the best speed possible and more people would pay for the services as they would be of a standard everyone would be happy with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Hasn't it always been setup like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Pah, NTL's shoddy fibre at the moment. I believe though that they are running fibre around the country, certainly I have a nice -10db attenuator on my cable modem cos the laser's so strong. I don't know if it's shortwave from the exchange to the modem, certainly not taking it apart and looking down, I value my retinas but do doubt that it's longwave. They are though doing a pilot in Newcastle I think with fibre-up-the-toilet (they're laying fibres via the sewers). Hopefully that'll take us to the level of fibre we've seen in servers for years. I use 10Gb fibre at work. 20Mb is a joke, they should be able to provide 1Gb by around 2009-2010 UK-Wide if the pilot goes well. They nearly chose Bournemouth! Our uni and council are all wired up with fibre-out-the-toilet. Simon (Your resident storage/fibre channel/ficon/network expert(ish)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 Simon (Your resident storage/fibre channel/ficon/network expert(ish)) Brave comment given the company of people on this thread (Just kidding... ) What is your main area? might be useful for info sharing on here, as we seem to have some high level people these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Dont you think they should all come together and give us fibre throughout,to exchange,street to door etc then all in all we would all have the best speed possible and more people would pay for the services as they would be of a standard everyone would be happy with It's the case of laying the infrastructure, current pipes and exchanges just don't have the capacity and fibre is very delicate stuff, the switching gear has some very complex asics in it too, so bigger exchange boxes would be needed if they had any switching gear locally. Also cost of laying fibre, digging up the road if you need to etc is very costly, hence NTL and Government pilots for laying cable up the sewers as a lot more people have toilets than they do connections to fibre junctions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Brave comment given the company of people on this thread (Just kidding... ) What is your main area? might be useful for info sharing on here, as we seem to have some high level people these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Brave comment given the company of people on this thread (Just kidding... ) What is your main area? might be useful for info sharing on here, as we seem to have some high level people these days. Heh, I'm quite broad on the storage front. I deal primarily with enterprise level SAN based equipment really. Work on IBM, Hitachi and EMC storage systems, disk and tape, virtual tape libraries as well as implementing a transatlantic fibre-over-ip network from south-coast UK to mid-east US for tape traffic and have a tri-site disk-replication DR model setup which spans the US and the EMEA region. Got certification with McData, Brocade and soon Cisco for network and security implementation as well as dabbling in performance tuning. O/S wise I work on iSeries, zSeries and trying to do AIX/Linux. Mainly storage management software on these platforms. We're the people that had 45 miles of the M3 dug up last year to have some dark-fibre laid from Dorset... mmm.. expensive. I hope I can consider myself maybe not an expert, but not an amateur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 We're the people that had 45 miles of the M3 dug up last year to have some dark-fibre laid from Dorset... mmm.. expensive. What is the name of your company? This situation sounds familiar lol - I deal with a lot of WAN applications for major business and government contracts including managed data connections, leased-line, SDH, Ethersphere/line, managed ISDN solutions (for the time being), Managed telephone, IP VPN, VOIP, etc etc etc... I've seen some situations where companies demand whole roads and even markets closed right away to fix one single line or service. One particular shop I was dealing with demanded we shut the M25 to fix their single ISDN-based managed service lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 link to BT 21CN (21st Century Network upgrades) http://www.btplc.com/21CN/?com.bea.event.type=linkclick&oLName=link.searchresults&oLDesc=KB_568 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseys Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 What is the name of your company? This situation sounds familiar lol - I deal with a lot of WAN applications for major business and government contracts including managed data connections, leased-line, SDH, Ethersphere/line, managed ISDN solutions (for the time being), Managed telephone, IP VPN, VOIP, etc etc etc... I've seen some situations where companies demand whole roads and even markets closed right away to fix one single line or service. One particular shop I was dealing with demanded we shut the M25 to fix their single ISDN-based managed service lol. I work for JP Morgan. I don't think we've got much leased lines, we just seem to buy fibre/IP and have it private. We've got I think 4 OC48's and some OC192's on the go now too, which I'm lead to believe are fairly meaty IP wise. Fibre as it's all dark I believe is just constrained by the DWDM we pump down it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I work for JP Morgan. I don't think we've got much leased lines, we just seem to buy fibre/IP and have it private. We've got I think 4 OC48's and some OC192's on the go now too, which I'm lead to believe are fairly meaty IP wise. Fibre as it's all dark I believe is just constrained by the DWDM we pump down it. I thought you might do... You're one of our customers mate The Dorset thing got me thinking that it must be you! Can you guess which Basingstoke-based firm I currently work for? (only 3 weeks left ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Oops - sorry for the thread hi-jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I read these figures and despair. My connection is 780 kbs. Yes, not even 1 meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I read these figures and despair. My connection is 780 kbs. Yes, not even 1 meg You wouldn't if you saw the cost of these lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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