Another story that makes me want to leave the UK

[marbleapple]

I tend not to pay much attention to the media in its many forms,

 

I would point out that you don’t even have to listen to the media to be influenced by it. We are people are influenced by the stimuli and events around us and by the actions of others. Every person and thing you come into contact with effects your thoughts and opinions thus (for example) if your friends all think one thing, you slowly might start to agree with them.

 

I am sorry but that is tosh. How the hell can compare today's increasing knife problem, increasing gun crime and increasing anti social behaviour with that of the miners strike and the IRA bombings? That's just silly.

 

 

Hi CJ

 

I don't actually think it is silly. My point was really that every period has a 'problem' which the media focuses on and which over time is addressed and resolved (or at least semi repaired). Back in the 1990's people were more concerned about IRA bombs than knife crime... did knife crime not happen in the 1990s? Of course it did but we just didn't hear about it as much. Today’s issue is drugs/gangs and knives.

 

Whilst we do have knife crime I would also point out that this crime is more common amongst minorities and in drug related offences (I.e. gangs) and thus Joe Bloggs is less likely to be effected by guns/knives than a black man in very poor areas of London and Manchester for example. Why do you (presuming that you are Caucasian and not involved in gangs/drugs) worry about knife crime more than say corporate theft?

 

IMO we as a society believe far too much, too easily, and take everything written in news papers, TV, (forums) as gospel. The newspaper states a story (failing to give the other side) and we as a society draw a conclusion without sufficient (or unbiased) facts based on the information provided by the media. Our incorrect conclusions are then confirmed by similar opinions drawn by everyone else on the same biased information. For example some one on here states that teaches can’t use force against students. That is not strictly true as there are circumstances where reasonable force can be used.... the teachers just no longer have the confidence to do so (because they hear all the horror stories of what happens if things go wrong).

 

I would also ask people who want to leave where they plan to leave to? My personal favourite is Florida where the gun crime offences outweigh Englands by about 50-1. The grass is always greener on the other side.

[marbleapple]

i wont have to waste my time explaing eliminatory s**t to the forums main antagonist!

 

LOL sorry Blackie I had to laugh at this.... I thought you were the forums main antagonist!?! (you are in this thread)

[Blackie]

LOL sorry Blackie I had to laugh at this.... I thought you were the forums main antagonist!?! (you are in this thread)

 

[Fifty]

Of course I am.

 

Are you telling me you'd rather have been born with f-all in some god forsaken place, living in a tent and eating rotten goat meat every day?

 

I understand the point perfectly. This place is being mis-managed in most respects, but running away isn't going to fix it, now is it?

 

Running away?

No just trying something new and exciting. UK is dull and Ive worked my 35 years here; now its time for fun and something else.Quality of life here is ruined. I hope youre life is different and you dont have to work an 80 hour week because you want to put your kids through uni. I do, and now my job is nearly done I will get on that plane,

 

Rich

[keancy]

Running away?

No just trying something new and exciting. UK is dull and Ive worked my 35 years here; now its time for fun and something else.Quality of life here is ruined. I hope youre life is different and you dont have to work an 80 hour week because you want to put your kids through uni. I do, and now my job is nearly done I will get on that plane,

 

Rich

 

 

And as said before you will be missed Rich.

[merckx]

It was making a point, There is no childishness there. Calling someone a retard and asking if they are one are two different things. Ask anyone. Can anyone viewing this thread confirm this Mercx? Mercx is referring to post 121

Do you seriously think I need to ask someone, I think you do?

 

Have you ever heard of the word "insinuate" ?

[SUPRASUZUKI]

Running away?

No just trying something new and exciting. UK is dull and Ive worked my 35 years here; now its time for fun and something else.Quality of life here is ruined. I hope youre life is different and you dont have to work an 80 hour week because you want to put your kids through uni. I do, and now my job is nearly done I will get on that plane,

 

Rich

 

I've still got kids at school, so the option's not there for me (yet....). My parents baled out a couple of years ago to live in the US. They have no intention of coming back.

 

My quality of life is fine, so maybe the view point depends on where you live in the UK.

 

Good luck.

[R Black]

My quality of life is fine, so maybe the view point depends on where you live in the UK.

 

Good luck.

 

I personally think that does have a fair bit to do with it, and if you have decent job there too, from what i've seen of Norfolk its much more idyllic than many other areas.

[SUPRASUZUKI]

I personally think that does have a fair bit to do with it, and if you have decent job there too, from what i've seen of Norfolk its much more idyllic than many other areas.

 

 

Been here 9 years and love it.

0 cars stolen or broken into

0 attempted break-ins on the house

 

Lived on the outskirts of Brum previously

2 cars stolen, 2 bikes stolen, 2 cars broken into

1 attempted burglary on the house

 

Says it all really.

[R Black]

So there are good and bad areas around the globe, and people are free to try and upgrade from to area for another, not necessarily in the same timezone. Reasons other than crime may include, work availability, standard of living, scenery, space(lots of land), climate, the locations life style, how they may choose to live may suit an individual better than where they were, and just plain expense.

You obviously know all this as your parents now live in the states, care to divulge their reasoning on leaving?

[marbleapple]

Been here 9 years and love it.

0 cars stolen or broken into

0 attempted break-ins on the house

 

Lived on the outskirts of Brum previously

2 cars stolen, 2 bikes stolen, 2 cars broken into

1 attempted burglary on the house

 

Says it all really.

 

Sums it up nicely.

 

Saying that though....

 

My dad is a Police Inspector so took home security seriously. He lived in the same house 23 years and was never burgled once. He moved out and 1 month later the house was burgled. Turns out the new owners liked to leave expensive items on display in the house. It's not always the area.

[R Black]

Ok ok ok so Victoria Beckham types will get burgled anywhere.

[SUPRASUZUKI]

So there are good and bad areas around the globe, and people are free to try and upgrade from to area for another, not necessarily in the same timezone. Reasons other than crime may include, work availability, standard of living, scenery, space(lots of land), climate, the locations life style, how they may choose to live may suit an individual better than where they were, and just plain expense.

You obviously know all this as your parents now live in the states, care to divulge their reasoning on leaving?

 

Not at all.

Me, my sister and my brother all moved away (me and my brother for work, my sister retired to Devon, at 40:blink:).

Both pairs of grand parents died within a couple of years and my parents found themselves alone in the Midlands.

 

So they sold everything (except the car, which they left here to use when visiting). They went to the US and bought a 36' motor home, then travelled round for 2 years or so. They planned to then go to Aus and do the same, but came across an area in New Mexico which they liked. They also both felt healthier and found breathing more easy (dad has asthma, mum had TB when she was younger, so hasn't got full lung capacity). Thinner air in NM due to higher altitude / less pollution I guess?

So they bought a house and now live there (see pic).

 

We see them a couple of times a year.

[SUPRASUZUKI]

Sums it up nicely.

 

Saying that though....

 

My dad is a Police Inspector so took home security seriously. He lived in the same house 23 years and was never burgled once. He moved out and 1 month later the house was burgled. Turns out the new owners liked to leave expensive items on display in the house. It's not always the area.

 

We lived in a modest semi, no fine art or jewels on show, just a 2nd hand tv. Someone still tried to break in through the patio door.

[R Black]

I'm sure they're enjoying it, i guess thats northern N Mexico then, i know Sante Fe is very nice i like it there, the air would be better higher up i guess, thanks for the relocation explanation.

[SUPRASUZUKI]

I'm sure they're enjoying it, i guess thats northern N Mexico then, i know Sante Fe is very nice i like it there, the air would be better higher up i guess, thanks for the relocation explanation.

 

You're welcome mate:)

 

They're just outside Silver City (south west NM), about 1900 m elevation. I don't know the area, just looked on Google Earth:D

[R Black]

I think the mountain range south of the Rockies unless it still is the Rockies trail off to the South West

[CJ]

Hi CJ

 

I don't actually think it is silly. My point was really that every period has a 'problem' which the media focuses on and which over time is addressed and resolved (or at least semi repaired). Back in the 1990's people were more concerned about IRA bombs than knife crime... did knife crime not happen in the 1990s? Of course it did but we just didn't hear about it as much. Today’s issue is drugs/gangs and knives.

 

I disagree. We have the same terrorist activity now as we did when the IRA were around any yet we have more instances of knife crime being reported now than back then. Why is that? Is it because we really do have more knife crime?

 

Whilst we do have knife crime I would also point out that this crime is more common amongst minorities and in drug related offences (I.e. gangs) and thus Joe Bloggs is less likely to be effected by guns/knives than a black man in very poor areas of London and Manchester for example. Why do you (presuming that you are Caucasian and not involved in gangs/drugs) worry about knife crime more than say corporate theft?

Again I disagree. I may be wrong, but the recent knife murders were of caucasian males and as far as I am aware were not thought to be related to drug gang warfare. As for corporate theft? Well, quite simply corporate theft, whilst being a very serious crime, does not affect me in the same way as street violence does.

 

IMO we as a society believe far too much, too easily, and take everything written in news papers, TV, (forums) as gospel. The newspaper states a story (failing to give the other side) and we as a society draw a conclusion without sufficient (or unbiased) facts based on the information provided by the media. Our incorrect conclusions are then confirmed by similar opinions drawn by everyone else on the same biased information. For example some one on here states that teaches can’t use force against students. That is not strictly true as there are circumstances where reasonable force can be used.... the teachers just no longer have the confidence to do so (because they hear all the horror stories of what happens if things go wrong).

Judging by your earlier comments, I can only assume that you were as easily influenced by the media coverage of the miners strike etc.

I would also ask people who want to leave where they plan to leave to? My personal favourite is Florida where the gun crime offences outweigh Englands by about 50-1. The grass is always greener on the other side.

 

I came to Kos. No such problems

[marbleapple]

I disagree. We have the same terrorist activity now as we did when the IRA were around any yet we have more instances of knife crime being reported now than back then. Why is that? Is it because we really do have more knife crime?

 

Don't disagree that knife crime might have increased (just as other crimes have decreased) but my point is not that it doesn't happen but that we hear about it a lot more now and that makes us feel that it is happening a lot more and that it is a 'bigger' problem than it is. You look at the % of crimes committed a day and then consider how many are knife related. Its a tiny amount. You compare that % to other crimes (that we dont hear about as much) and you might get a shock.

 

Again I disagree. I may be wrong, but the recent knife murders were of caucasian males and as far as I am aware were not thought to be related to drug gang warfare.

 

Majority of knife crime is gang/youth related and the majority of crimes today are related to drugs (committing crimes to fund the habit or fighting due to involvement in it).

 

 

As for corporate theft? Well, quite simply corporate theft, whilst being a very serious crime, does not affect me in the same way as street violence does.

 

 

Have you ever been a victim of street violence? - I have not.

 

You most certainly have been a victim of corporate crime whether you realise it or not.

 

Every tax bill, insurance cover, petrol prices.... all inflated directly or indirectly by corporate theft. Hence why the punishments for white collar crimes are fast exceeding (punishment wise) that of street violence.

 

 

 

Judging by your earlier comments, I can only assume that you were as easily influenced by the media coverage of the miners strike etc.

 

 

Yer I think everyone is influenced by everything. No exceptions. Was just trying to argue my point though (I really don't care that much for the plight of the miners tbh).

 

 

I came to Kos. No such problems

 

 

Is there even grass in Kos? i thought the superb heat and long summer days would have killed it al long ago (lucky SOAB!)

[marbleapple]

We lived in a modest semi, no fine art or jewels on show, just a 2nd hand tv. Someone still tried to break in through the patio door.

 

There is no accounting for taste!

[Pete]

I would also ask people who want to leave where they plan to leave to? My personal favourite is Florida where the gun crime offences outweigh Englands by about 50-1. The grass is always greener on the other side.

Rhodes oddly enough. There's not much grass there at all as it happens. There are some lovely spring flowers out in bloom at the moment though.