merckx Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 when i went to school years ago, my mother would be out when i got back and i never had a key, would you leave your door unlocked in this era not a chance, i went to school and yes i was not an angel, i feared the cane and the slipper i did have my share of them though, did it teach me right from wrong, YES IT DID, did it teach me respect, YES IT DID, taking away the powers from the police, teachers, parents, is why this country is in a dreadful state, and it is, and if you truly believe those statistics then wander around any city centre at 2.30am:rolleyes: this country stinks and its blinkered people like you that help it remain so What a load of nonsense, why would I want to wander around a city centre at 2.30. You say I'm blinkered, you base your opinion only on walking around a city centre at 2.30am. I wished I had an education now instead of 24 years ago when I left school, teachers were almost totally unacountable, they get a far better education nowadays. this country is in a dreadful state Codswallop, give us some statistics that actually prove something. An opinion with nothing to back it up is not worth having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 It's the lawyers with the morales of snakes manipulating and interpreting the letter of the law to their own whily ways. The guy with the more expensive snake stands a better chance of winning. I agree with you here to a degree but isn’t it the same in every job? You are more likely to win a race with a better driver etc. I would also point out that the lawyers can work only within the boundaries set by the government of the day and the governments before it. Civil litigation for example is set by the CPR regulations of which the overriding objective under 1.1 is ‘dealing with a case justly’. If the judge determines that a claim is vexatious, unfair or simply of no real merit then he will dismiss the claim and punish the people making it. I would argue therefore that the instances where ‘unfair’ claims occur are relatively rare. Of course when they happen we always hear about them in today’s society. 20 years ago it wouldn't be news. "My client received severe bruising to the body and to the face due to numerous blows with a fist. One eye is so bruised it has completely closed and he also has a number of cuts to his face and head."[/b] Congratulations you have managed to (IMO) argue a point in my favour. If someone comes to rob you there is a big difference between self defence (or running some one over to escape them from killing you) and in Duncan Fergusons case beating a man twice as small for no reason (being in someone elses house doesn’t give you permission to beat someone whether we wish it did or not). I personally agree with what Duncan Ferguson did but a line must be drawn between self defence and assault and in Duncan’s case it was viewed has having gone past. I would also point out (and what you fail to mention) is that in civil cases the damages awarded can be lowered by the judge due to the fact that the person injured was committing an offence, thus Mr Scum would unlikely have been awarded a huge amount of money. is this solicitor taking this case because its 1) in the publics interest 2) it an often unchallenged injustice he feels passionate about or 3) oh its Duncan Ferguson i can make a few quid here Well all the solicitors that I know are paid a fixed wage (unless you are a partner) and since the individual in your example was likely on Legal Aid, it would be unlikely the solicitor was taking the case just because it is Duncan Ferguson. Again strict criteria have to be met to get legal aid (and being bashed by a famous person isn't one of them). Now normally I have a lot of respect for what you write but that is so stupid it isn't funny. Things are not getting worse? So, the recent gun attacks, stabbings, murder by a group of 17 year olds etc etc is not any worse than 15 years ago? Of course things are getting worse and they have been over the past 15 or more years. Well thanks for the nice comment 1st mate. Appreciate it Crime has got worse in some areas but I would also point out that in many other areas it has got better. I seem to remember in the 1960’s the problem was drugs, 1980’s the problem was something to do with miners, 1990’s it was IRA... today it is kids with knives. Things change. I often blame the media for sensationalising everything without qualifying their information they make. One example is the Policeman who killed himself and his mother in law recently. The news man asks ‘why was he on bail, how could the judge do such a thing??’ He fails to point out that under the present law, the judge should always give bail unless there are very certain and tight criteria are met. -sorry for the long post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 What a load of nonsense, why would I want to wander around a city centre at 2.30. Why wouldn't you want to walk through a city at 2.30am?... I'd like to know why... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 I often blame the media for sensationalising everything without qualifying their information they make. I tend not to pay much attention to the media in its many forms, they're only trying to sell papers/gain viewing figures by attracting the most attention by blowing things out of all proportion. -sorry for the long post Don't apologise, it's sensible discussions on here that make the place more interesting. Shame they're so few and far between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Why wouldn't you want to walk through a city at 2.30am?... I'd like to know why... Because it's very discomforting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 -sorry for the long post As much as I can't agree with your point of view I want to say a big thank you for a detailed and reasoned response to an interesting debate Please continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I tend not to pay much attention to the media in its many forms, they're only trying to sell papers/gain viewing figures by attracting the most attention by blowing things out of all proportion. The problem is though that a lot of people's perceptions are based on the things around them and the things they read. Papers are a good example and as you rightly say, they are trying to sell papers/gain viewing figures by attracting the most attention by blowing things out of all proportion. IMO perhaps if the media was regulated more effectively (i.e. had to a duty to not sensationalise without true facts) then society would not be bombarded via the media with the sense (rightly or wrongly) that the sky is falling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Why wouldn't you want to walk through a city at 2.30am?... I'd like to know why... Because I've got far more important things to do, like getting a good nights sleep like most people do. If other people want to do this then feel free, I've got nothing against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 As much as I can't agree with your point of view I want to say a big thank you for a detailed and reasoned response to an interesting debate Please continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 IMO perhaps if the media was regulated more effectively (i.e. had to a duty to not sensationalise without true facts) then society would not be bombarded via the media with the sense (rightly or wrongly) that the sky is falling. Fair point..BUT myself being a person that doesn't pay much heed to the media still feels like Chicken Lickin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Because I've got far more important things to do, like getting a good nights sleep just like most people do. So just because your normal routine means you have to get sleep in the night to work in the day, other people should worry about walking the streets at night?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 So just because your normal routine means you have to get sleep in the night to work in the day, other people should worry about walking the streets at night?... Pot I think we got your point about the streets at night. I think like everything it depends where you are. I live in Menston and could walk naked for 3 miles without anyone even seeing me. In Leeds city centre i'd get raped within 10 yards. Hasn't it always been like that though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 So just because your normal routine means you have to get sleep in the night to work in the day, other people should worry about walking the streets at night?... If you really think that's a big problem then you're very much mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 In Leeds city centre i'd get raped within 10 yards. Someone's got a high opinion of themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Hasn't it always been like that though? Of course it has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 What a load of nonsense, why would I want to wander around a city centre at 2.30. You say I'm blinkered, you base your opinion only on walking around a city centre at 2.30am. I wished I had an education now instead of 24 years ago when I left school, teachers were almost totally unacountable, they get a far better education nowadays. Codswallop, give us some statistics that actually prove something. An opinion with nothing to back it up is not worth having. you really cannot see it can you, you actualy think its a better world now than it was 20 years ago, (forget technology) i am talking respect, for oneself and others, blinkered you really are, a murder of a 16 year old gang victim nearly every day, people dying protecting there homes/kids is now becoming the norm, christ get your head out of your arse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 If you really think that's a big problem then you're very much mistaken. I'll only be mistaken if you don't explain your post, as that doesn't make sense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 I personally agree with what Duncan Ferguson did as i suspect did the solicitor and the whole bloody law firm so why take the case? are they forced to because the guy had (somehow) qualified for legal aid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 you really cannot see it can you, you actualy think its a better world now than it was 20 years ago, (forget technology) i am talking respect, for oneself and others, blinkered you really are, a murder of a 16 year old gang victim nearly every day, people dying protecting there homes/kids is now becoming the norm, christ get your head out of your arse Okay , we'll agree to disagree then. You've got your opinion and I've got mine and that's all they are - opinions. But I'll return the insult to make it fair. When you pass away and people ask me what the cause of your death was, I'll say your stupidity. Here's another good one. Don't you have a terribly empty feeling ---- in your skull? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pot Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Okay , we'll agree to disagree then. You've got your opinion and I've got mine and that's all they are - opinions. But I'll return the insult to make it fair. When you pass away and people ask me what the cause of your death was, I'll say your stupidity. Here's another good one. Don't you have a terribly empty feeling ---- in your skull? I'll expand my previous post from "I'll only be mistaken if you don't explain your post, as that doesn't make sense"... To, can you please explain what you're on about?... I'll note that I'd posted a good 20 minutes before your last post, and this post is a good 20 minutes since, and as you'd posted something to me, and I'd replied, you can't really be concerned about replys to your posts, so you're just shouting off about anything at all... I'd love to get a reply, I am actually trying to get a taxi into town, which is full of violent w@nkers, but I'm taking the chance that me common sense, and knowledge, and the fact I'm big might give me a good chance (The fact I'm big meaning the w@nkers don't even try anything), as I'm just out for a drink, and a good time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian R Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Scary how things are changing. What concerns me is, is it the government to blame or is it society itself ?. I blame all the so called experts that say you shouldn't smack you children when they have done wrong. I had my fair share and it never did me any harm. Look at all the neds/chavs that will backchat to a police officer, if they were still allowed to give kids a cuff round the ear half of it would stop. The main problem is those that cause the trouble now are from todays youth (last 10 years) to many parents are working to make ends meet and simply don't have time for bringing up children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
and1c Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 We should form a vigilante team to get people like this lol. Im in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Okay , we'll agree to disagree then. You've got your opinion and I've got mine and that's all they are - opinions. But I'll return the insult to make it fair. When you pass away and people ask me what the cause of your death was, I'll say your stupidity. Here's another good one. Don't you have a terribly empty feeling ---- in your skull? i truly hope nothing happens to your cotton wool wrapped life to make you change your my my blinkered friend, and stay away from city and town alley ways, i actualy think your on a wind up anyway, and that was my last bite:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 God, if that happened to me it would be sooo tempting to run one of them over, if only to see the change of expression on the guy's face when he realised that this time he wasn't going to get away scot free. But yeah, I'd be banged up for life and the "cars are evil and all car drivers are evil" lobby would have another string to their bows. Yes but only if you actually stopped and reported it. Odds on the recipient of the running over wouldn't report your reg number if you did one straight afterwards, especially if you ensured good and proper he wasn't getting back up by reversing over the turd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 I have tried NOT to respond to the recent posts in this thread but Merckx's opinions have really got me wondering!! What a load of nonsense, why would I want to wander around a city centre at 2.30. You say I'm blinkered, you base your opinion only on walking around a city centre at 2.30am. We now live in a 24hr society mate and it doesn't matter what time of day it is in reality as people get mugged, stabbed, shot in broad daylight!! I spend most nights at home with my wife and kids but I have had occasions were I have had to be out in the middle of the night. I recently took a group of customers out one the town in Liverpool. At 2am we called it a night and I had to get back to my hotel. It was only 15 mins walk away but as I walked back I sensed that there was something a miss as I walked through the back streets!! I turned around and got in a black cab and got back safely. I spoke to one of the customers the following day and told him of my attempt to walk back. He said "F*ck that mate! I live here and I wouldn't have dared walk through that part of the city at 2am!!" I wished I had an education now instead of 24 years ago when I left school, teachers were almost totally unacountable, they get a far better education nowadays. True! I think education is now better structured and the use of IT etc has made a big impact. Unfortunately the teaching is better but the pupils don't give a shit!! The balance has moved to far the other way from 20 years ago!! Codswallop, give us some statistics that actually prove something. An opinion with nothing to back it up is not worth having. How the f*ck is he supposed to back that up. The statistics are bollox. People have a gut feeling and they see things day in day out and form an opinion over time. I left the Police in 2001 because I felt there was no point trying to change things with the justice system in ruins, parents who didn't care when you took their kids home to them. My hands were tied with beauracratic shite and paperwork. If you made one tiny mistake in your paperwork or evidence the scumbag who'd punched a granny in the face etc walked free!! I don't read news papers. I look at teletext and watch the local news, these give you the facts of what happened and don't sensationalise the issue. I find your opinions worrying to say the least. You either are completely apathetic, like argueing on the internet or have been a hermit for 10 years or so!! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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