Snooze Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I blame lawyers. Those people who have facilitated the suing of police officers for doing their jobs, school teachers for teaching respect, parents from teaching at a young age what is no acceptable behaviour, the average Joe for protecting their own property. :yeahthat: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickTT Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Would we have had these troubles if the iron lady was still in charge, i seriously doubt it. At least i'm not the only person that thinks that. Nu Labia and the European human rights act have ruined this country. By giving rights to chav scum that don't deserve any they have taken away from the vast majority of the population and it will never change because no matter how hard you look, amongst the millions of bureaucrats you will not find a "commissioner for the decent law abiding citizen" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 I thought I'd have a look at what's involved in becoming a politician and found this. http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=269788 The 6th post down just about says it all really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 How to start your own political party http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/20000041.htm This pretty much sets out the statutory demands on how a political party should function. Other than this, get yourself a manifesto and people who are like-minded. Your best bet is start with candidates in local elections. Candidates in these are not required to put down a deposit; they'd just have to fork out for their own publicity material, presumably from a central fund if your burgeoning movement could attract enough wealthy patronage. In general elections, you're required to stump up a deposit of £500 per candidate - this is only returnable if your candidate polls 5% or more of the votes. It really is quite simple. 1. Philosophy. 2. Manifesto. 3. Members. 4. Funding. From http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=678021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 ...You don't get this kind of attitude in Greece. People out there enjoy each others company, they help each other, they are taught early on that bad behaviour is not accepted. Everyone here is always so angry and miserable all the time, it's making this country a right hole to live in. I agree. Totally different way of living out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 God, if that happened to me it would be sooo tempting to run one of them over, if only to see the change of expression on the guy's face when he realised that this time he wasn't going to get away scot free. But yeah, I'd be banged up for life and the "cars are evil and all car drivers are evil" lobby would have another string to their bows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Sounds like something out of a movie! It is... one with Sean Bean and a bloke in a BMW M3 We should form a vigilante team to get people like this lol. Just like in the Sean Bean film. I blame lawyers. Those people who have facilitated the suing of police officers for doing their jobs, school teachers for teaching respect, parents from teaching at a young age what is no acceptable behaviour, the average Joe for protecting their own property. . What narrow minded rubbish. You can't sue unless the law of the land allows you to. Solicitors can only work in the bounderies of the law which are not set by solicitors and even then they can sue they can only do so where the court (judges) see it as appropriate to do so. And i can never understand how someone who choses to break the law can then be defended/protected by it, that is just madness! They don't. The only defences they have are ones which make the actions that they did to be viewed as legal as opposed to illegal. Thus if what they did was legal it wasn't a break in the law (if that makes sense). But yeah, I'd be banged up for life and the "cars are evil and all car drivers are evil" lobby would have another string to their bows. As for being accused of manslaughter for running someone over to escape injury/death.... that is utter rubbish too. No charge would stick unless you reversed over them two or 3 times on purpose. You would have plenty of defences open to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 As for being accused of manslaughter for running someone over to escape injury/death.... that is utter rubbish too. No charge would stick unless you reversed over them two or 3 times on purpose. You would have plenty of defences open to you. Theoretically yes, but once a weaselly lawyer gets his claws into you and you were "driving without due care and attention, ran him over while he was trying to ask for help because of his sick daughter because you weren't paying attention, and oh look you drive a fast car and are part of a 'cruising website' so you were probably racing at the time" and "fabricated some nonsense about three cars trying to force you off the road and you can't even recall ONE of the number plates" and suddenly it's death by dangerous driving with a prison sentence for you, bucko, and a fat compensation package for the illegal immigrant that wanted to kill you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Theoretically yes, but once a weaselly lawyer gets his claws into you and you were "driving without due care and attention, ran him over while he was trying to ask for help because of his sick daughter because you weren't paying attention, and oh look you drive a fast car and are part of a 'cruising website' so you were probably racing at the time" and "fabricated some nonsense about three cars trying to force you off the road and you can't even recall ONE of the number plates" and suddenly it's death by dangerous driving with a prison sentence for you, bucko, and a fat compensation package for the illegal immigrant that wanted to kill you What's more plausible? That I acidentally hit someone and ran them over and then promptly fooked off, with two witnessess that have had time to concoct whataver story they like, or that all of the above happened and it was self defense? Talk about "reasonable doubt"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I'm no fan of any govt. They are all to lily-livered and/or corrupt for my liking. I was just making the point that blaming them is pointless. That type of behaviour isn't taught, it's learned. We need to find out why these people act like that and attack the source. not pointless; they have the power to allow peaceful citizens to be the shit out of yobs like this if required without getting the blame themselves and in case you missed it they could invoke harsher punishment. Under their leadership(wrong word obviously since they dont show any) things have gone to shit. eg knife crime simply impose min 10 years jail sentence with no remission Ric:dh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Theoretically yes, but once a weaselly lawyer gets his claws into you and you were "driving without due care and attention, ran him over while he was trying to ask for help because of his sick daughter because you weren't paying attention, 1. Your presuming that the CPS decide to prosecute. 2. The moment they introduce character evidence against your client then you can also do the same... I.e. the illegal immigrant with no insurance, licence and 3 previous convictions. 3. You forget that the people in this story rang the Police in panic about the 3 cars that are coming after you about 5 min before you run over him. 4. You will presumably also have a large amount of witness evidence to support your claim when you consider CCTV, other people on the roads (your telling me that no one else in would witness the 3 cars), the fact that the Police have had a similar problem before, that you can describe the other cars etc. 5. You might not want to hit them with your Supra (make a mess of a nice car) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SILKYSMOOTH Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 To be honest, if I wasn't in a relationship, I would leave this country tomorrow and take the supra with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 To be honest, if I wasn't in a relationship, I would leave this country tomorrow and take the supra with me. Florida for me all the way The problem is that (imo) people think the country is getting worse even though it isn't really. We are bombarded of stories which are awful and disturbing by the TV and papers and a lot of us forget that the news always reports on exceptions and never good news. I give an example. When I was a kid I walked to school. most parent's won't let their kids do so now due to fear of them being kidnapped etc.... I learn't the other day that abductions had not increased since before WW2. We simply here about more nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 The problem is that (imo) people think the country is getting worse even though it isn't really. Now normally I have a lot of respect for what you write but that is so stupid it isn't funny. Things are not getting worse? So, the recent gun attacks, stabbings, murder by a group of 17 year olds etc etc is not any worse than 15 years ago? Of course things are getting worse and they have been over the past 15 or more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Black Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 not pointless; they have the power to allow peaceful citizens to be the shit out of yobs like this if required without getting the blame themselves and in case you missed it they could invoke harsher punishment. Under their leadership(wrong word obviously since they dont show any) things have gone to shit. eg knife crime simply impose min 10 years jail sentence with no remission Ric:dh I would say it is Govt's fault (Labour & Conservative) they have allowed it to get to this state, the start is education is poor & chastisement of little adults as they're now seen, is frowned upon, they run amok. Police are toothless (unless it's against hard working citizens who have something to loose, as they bothered to work for what they have) prison, well thats a joke, constantly letting people off supposedly lower end crime as there is no space in prisons, due to them being like holiday camps (to those who would happily commit crime) hence not a deterrent, how you can be in prison & not have to do like 12 hours hard labour a day is beyond me, no they give them gym time, tv time, xbox time, hell you can even get a degree wtf, no in my opinion the Govt allowed it to get to this state & are doing nothing to change it hence deserve the blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Now normally I have a lot of respect for what you write but that is so stupid it isn't funny. I agree!! Unless you are blind or not been out the house in the last few years you will have seen the rise in immigration, people who can't speak a word of English walking the streets. NHS waiting lists getting longer, time in A&E being about 4 times longer than before. Police failing to attend 999 calls. Gun and knife attacks being prevalant. Council and fuel tax rises way beyond inflation. Cost of goods and services soaring but public sector workers getting 2% rises. People getting off on technicalities after obviously being guilty. People being sued for trying to help or just plainly doing their job. Speed camera's everywhere, uninsured drivers all over the place etc etc...... Yep, this is f*cking paradise isn't it!! Some people are beginning to believe the politicians..... H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Scary stuff that Pete. Did it happen at night or the middle of the day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Shane_ Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 all i say is stun gun under the seat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 whens the revolution then ?? im up for it ,im pissed off with this country as well its all gone to ratshit and i do blame the mamby pamby labour gov.there not interested in the state of the country only stashing as much public money in there own pockets as they can.and there familys it seems.while we are all treated like shit with more and more stupid rules .better stop now otherwise i will:bang: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 :) Like I said Im outa here as fast as possible. Last one on the plane please turn the lights out:p Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Black Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 :) Like I said Im outa here as fast as possible. Last one on the plane please turn the lights out:p Rich Do you remember that in the SUN on election day when Conservative was in power, in regards to if Labour got in the next morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 :) Like I said Im outa here as fast as possible. Last one on the plane please turn the lights out:p Rich Stay and fight, rather than hitching up your skirt and running off like a girl:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 What narrow minded rubbish. You can't sue unless the law of the land allows you to. Solicitors can only work in the bounderies of the law which are not set by solicitors and even then they can sue they can only do so where the court (judges) see it as appropriate to do so. "The burglary was disturbed by Duncan Ferguson who found the burglar in his home and immediately tackled him. The burglar is now accusing Ferguson of assaulting him and is putting himself forward as a victim as is becoming the fashion for various lowlife in society. The 'victim bandwagon' must be stopped. There are real victims in Society being denied help. Anyone burgling a house has every right to expect not too warm a welcome from the householders. Luckily Duncan Ferguson is a big lad, he was able to tackle the burglar and foil his plan to rob him and possibly cause harm. Karl Bishop's solicitors bleated to the press claiming that "My client received severe bruising to the body and to the face due to numerous blows with a fist. One eye is so bruised it has completely closed and he also has a number of cuts to his face and head." is this solicitor taking this case because its 1) in the publics interest 2) it an often unchallenged injustice he feels passionate about or 3) oh its Duncan Ferguson i can make a few quid here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 The problem is that (imo) people think the country is getting worse even though it isn't really. We are bombarded of stories which are awful and disturbing by the TV and papers and a lot of us forget that the news always reports on exceptions and never good news. You talk a lot of sense, don't forget the population has increased around 10% too. Graph produced by the Home Office, you'll all now start saying that they've manipulated the figures. oooooALL CRIME - British Crime Survey data http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/files/images/BCS_Total_crime_06.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 You talk a lot of sense, don't forget the population has increased around 10% too. Graph produced by the Home Office, you'll all now start saying that they've manipulated the figures. oooooALL CRIME - British Crime Survey data http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/files/images/BCS_Total_crime_06.gif To use an old quote - "There are lies, damn lies and statistics". If you honestly believe that there has been an improvement in crime levels in this country since 1995 then I am sorry but you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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