Young kids, powerful toys

[Gaz Walker]

Thats sad

[marc_p]

Not always. The real danger is those young men who buy them to show off to their mates. My driving with others in the car has always been sedate in comparison to when I drive alone, in the right areas.

 

 

Exactly, when i'm on my own I do admit I've pushed the civic to the limit before(not the supra, RWD still scares me) but if I ever have somebody with me I will always drive sensibly because risking my own life is one thing but risking others lives I just couldn't do.

[scooby_doo_do]

Thats Sad news.

 

I had my supra when i was 18 and it was the first RWD car i'd ever owned and the most powerfull thing i'd had before that was a vectra 2ltr. So i can understand young drivers in powerfull cars. Most of the problem at that age is over confidence and being egged on by others.

 

Still it's a very sad story.

[Lbm]

doesnt it make anyone wonder about where you go when you die? or at least worry about it?

 

No!

[and1c]

doesnt it make anyone wonder about where you go when you die? or at least worry about it?

 

Im never gonna die so I dont worry

 

This kids Dad was a fool to give him a brand new M5 to drive in....

[charlton]

Young guys and powerful rear wheel drive cars do not mix.

 

Would agree with most cases but my driving has become a lot safer (IMO) since getting out of FWD cars as I respect the car more

 

How gutted must these guys feel

 

I would be much prefer an 18 year old with brains to have an M5 rather than spend his moeny on some other piece of junk that could kill him and his mates in an accident

 

My only bit of advice matey - If you crash in a big way expect to be on the news.

[RobSheffield]

[supra61]

Thats very sad,very sad.

[neil tt]

Thats a terrible thing to happen:(

[Ewen]

Very sad read. I read most of the comments in the second link, that Vietnam Vet has issues doesnt he ?

[SILKYSMOOTH]

That's so sad

 

I hate it when people on forums don't believe others just because they are young. "Never judge a book by it's cover"

[Gazboy]

That's so sad

 

I hate it when people on forums don't believe others just because they are young. "Never judge a book by it's cover"

 

 

WTF? They were spot on- it wasn't his and he did crash and end up on the news, killing himself and his mates.

[Scott]

Surely because someone was right about what happened that doesn't make them right in principle though?

 

Surely if they had not been so judgemental and patronising, and instead actually spoke to the kid and told him whats what with driving a car like that he might have listened. Reading his replys and posts he seemed very level headed and all he got was critisism.

 

I agree that he shouldn't have been in that position in the first place but there are loads of youngsters that are. Is it not better to understand their situation and try to get them to realise theirs?

 

When i was younger i had absolutely no fear in a car and i mean none. As i got older i started to be a lot more warey of what was going on around me and the fear grew. As the fear grew the risks dropped and the power of the cars i have owned have increased without any incidents really.

 

This seems to be the case with everyone cept those who race for a living.

 

Scott =op

[Gazboy]

I can't believe I'm reading this.

 

Their forum had no bearing what-so-ever on the actions of this lad.

[Scott]

Thats my point, perhaps they COULD have had a positive effect on his actions.

 

Ok tell me this. If someone is going to do something regardless of the input of someone in a forum then why do people constantly ask the advice of other people on here?..... They are looking for input, simple. Now, sometimes, that input will then sway a decision one way or another.

 

In this case the only input that was given was scepticism over whether or not he was 18 and driving a 500bhp RWD tarmac eater. If he was 40 and asked the same questions would he have been given the same response?

 

I think not.

 

Lets teach the youth of today what its like driving a powerful car instead of saying its wrong for them to do it, have them do it anyway, kill themselves then puff on our pipes while saying "i said that was going to happen".

 

Scott =op

 

edit: i just re-read that. I'm only 27 lol.

[Syed Shah]

I doubt he was ever interested in driving a powerful RWD, only in showing off. Why else would an 18 year old need a big saloon? Has he got a family+dog to transport.

 

 

If I had a child with a need for speed, I would buy them a single seater of some sort. If they really like cars, they will love it. I reckon M5-boy would hate such a thing. Can't fit his 'mates'.

[Scott]

It was his dads car.

 

Most kids have the need for speed. Identifying it is almost impossible until you get the dreaded phonecall. People are a little more open on forums than they are with their parents.

 

In fact i know people more open to strangers with things like this than their parents. Same goes with sex etc.

[Nick]

Very much doubt there's anything anyone could have said to avoid this.

 

It's been a few years since I was 18, but I can still remember being arrogant and taking risks that make me cringe now.

 

Luckily all I could afford was a 1.3 Escort.

 

The only way to learn is through experience. Unfortunately some people kill themselves, and others, in the process.

[Scott]

Very much doubt there's anything anyone could have said to avoid this.

 

It's been a few years since I was 18, but I can still remember being arrogant and taking risks that make me cringe now.

 

Luckily all I could afford was a 1.3 Escort.

 

The only way to learn is through experience. Unfortunately some people kill themselves, and others, in the process.

 

Really? I can name loads. Quite a few in a car too.

 

Frankly though, not a lot of people are going to be honest about driving recklesly on a driving forum.

 

Luckily even though i did drive on the limits quite a bit i never got myself into any trouble. Again though, i didn't have a very powerful car.

 

Scott =op

[johnnyknox]

Quote:

 

"M5froth I completley understand where you are coming from assuming that I am irresponsible..that is definetly understandable. I do sometimes make bad decisions but I am young and I do drive safe and I will not endanger the lives of others..and I hope you are not under the impression that I am the one to brag, I have never been that way and never will. Plus I will have pictures up asap with me in the pictures. I have no reason to lie buddy."

 

 

He lied :(

[Gazboy]

Thats my point, perhaps they COULD have had a positive effect on his actions.

 

Ok tell me this. If someone is going to do something regardless of the input of someone in a forum then why do people constantly ask the advice of other people on here?..... They are looking for input, simple. Now, sometimes, that input will then sway a decision one way or another.

 

In this case the only input that was given was scepticism over whether or not he was 18 and driving a 500bhp RWD tarmac eater. If he was 40 and asked the same questions would he have been given the same response?

 

I think not.

 

Lets teach the youth of today what its like driving a powerful car instead of saying its wrong for them to do it, have them do it anyway, kill themselves then puff on our pipes while saying "i said that was going to happen".

 

Scott =op

 

edit: i just re-read that. I'm only 27 lol.

 

Even if they told him what he wanted to know (ie that setting the i-drive functions/M-stuff to full-on race mode does make the car unpleasent on upshifts) nothing would have changed. FFS the four lads had about 16 traffic offences between them including driving while banned- clearly the message wasn't getting through.

 

As an example- drink driving- every day both here and in the US drink driving is rammed home, via adverts, matrix signs, peers and parents, yet this lad still drank a keg of beer (pictures on myfacespacebook) at a party near Tampa, along with his mates who also had a keg each.

 

It's utter bo*locks to suggest M5board could have prevented this- he was 18- bloody hell President bush could call a draft and give this lad a rifle and sent him to Iraq- he could vote, he could enter a legaly binding contract, could get married, adopt a child etc- although he still couldn't drink until he's 21. If he is so niave, being a kid, if he's so easily led, as you'd like to think then perhaps he shouldn't have been at the wheel of a 500bhp two tonne car on a runway in the dark wheile pissed with three pissed mates.

 

I have nothing but sympathy for his parents, who are probably eating themselves with guilt, and for the parents of his mates, their brothers and sisters and families BUT ultimately the demise of these four lads is there own doing. This would have happened had he been driving a 160bhp Neon, the fact that it was an M5 just meant it made the news.

[SILKYSMOOTH]

Thats my point, perhaps they COULD have had a positive effect on his actions.

 

Ok tell me this. If someone is going to do something regardless of the input of someone in a forum then why do people constantly ask the advice of other people on here?..... They are looking for input, simple. Now, sometimes, that input will then sway a decision one way or another.

 

In this case the only input that was given was scepticism over whether or not he was 18 and driving a 500bhp RWD tarmac eater. If he was 40 and asked the same questions would he have been given the same response?

 

I think not.

 

Lets teach the youth of today what its like driving a powerful car instead of saying its wrong for them to do it, have them do it anyway, kill themselves then puff on our pipes while saying "i said that was going to happen".

 

Scott =op

 

edit: i just re-read that. I'm only 27 lol.

 

I'm with you Scotster, I'm 33 and I don't feel it is necessary for negative critiscm. Purely jealousy if you ask me. I'm not blaming them in any way or saying that they caused it or anything but there is no need for it. Let's try and be a little more supportive for the young guns, I'm sure we have made a few mistakes in our time and others can learn from that before they make the same mistakes. Too late now for these 5 poor soles.

[Scott]

Even if they told him what he wanted to know (ie that setting the i-drive functions/M-stuff to full-on race mode does make the car unpleasent on upshifts) nothing would have changed. FFS the four lads had about 16 traffic offences between them including driving while banned- clearly the message wasn't getting through.

 

As an example- drink driving- every day both here and in the US drink driving is rammed home, via adverts, matrix signs, peers and parents, yet this lad still drank a keg of beer (pictures on myfacespacebook) at a party near Tampa, along with his mates who also had a keg each.

 

It's utter bo*locks to suggest M5board could have prevented this- he was 18- bloody hell President bush could call a draft and give this lad a rifle and sent him to Iraq- he could vote, he could enter a legaly binding contract, could get married, adopt a child etc- although he still couldn't drink until he's 21. If he is so niave, being a kid, if he's so easily led, as you'd like to think then perhaps he shouldn't have been at the wheel of a 500bhp two tonne car on a runway in the dark wheile pissed with three pissed mates.

 

I have nothing but sympathy for his parents, who are probably eating themselves with guilt, and for the parents of his mates, their brothers and sisters and families BUT ultimately the demise of these four lads is there own doing. This would have happened had he been driving a 160bhp Neon, the fact that it was an M5 just meant it made the news.

 

Gaz your not seeing my point so its pointless going back and forth on this.

 

I'm not suggesting for a minute that there is anything that could have been done to prevent this accident from happening. I'm merely suggesting that it is the wrong approach to young drivers. If the correct approach was taken they would be more likely to listen.

 

I can clearly see that silky smooth can see exactly what i am on about.

 

Oh what the hell, lets give one more example of what i am on about...

 

When a new, young, member comes on here and asks what the power of a supra is like and what its like to handle we could approach the answer in 2 ways.

 

One.... Ask what age they are and constantly patronise them for being young. Make them feel about 5 and let them go off on a mood thinking "i'll show them".

 

or

 

Two.... Do what we do in most instances on this board. Explain that its not really the car to start off in your RWD exploits but if you really MUST have one then as soon as you get it go to an empty carpark and push it around a bit. That way you will see what can go wrong.

 

 

I guarantee you that if you chose no.2 you would be far more likely for the person to listen to you then and in the future. And if they did take the advice and find out what could go wrong in a Sup, or any powerful RWD car, in a car park it would be much less likely to happen on the road.

 

 

Next, here is the reason i feel so strongly about this approach....

 

I was brought up in a rough neighbourhood. When i was a teen we were all tarred with the same brush, much like today. Now, i was no angel but i certainly wasn't a hellraiser and i never once got in trouble with the police. When i turned around 14 alcohol was starting to become an interest. My Dad wasn't naive enough to think that his son wouldn't be into it so he sat me down and made me a deal. The deal was simple, at the weekend i could have all my friends round and my Dad would get us the carryout as long as we stayed indoors. Of course there were a few rules.... 1 No Spirits, 2 No Buckfast (beer's, lagers, ciders and alchopop's were fine.. although alchopops weren't really out at the time), 3 anyone who was in on the deal had to make the same deal with their parents or they could join in but with no alchohol.

 

This quite simply kept me off the street, all of us in fact. We even started joining in parties with our folks and having a bloody good time. Even though i wouldn't have been causing trouble it just made sure that it wouldn't happen. Would anything bad have happened if my Dad hadn't took that action? Who knows, i just feel patronising youngsters and tarring them all with the same brush seems like the done thing as you get older and it achieves nothing.

 

Scott =op

[Syed Shah]

Option 1 or 2 makes no difference. That person is going to do it anyway, that is youth for you. Like Gaz said, there is no advice anyone on the M5 boards could have given to stop this happening. It is the parents, knowing their child's nature, who should have stopped this.