Big Ads Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 who could possible still be posting and be that bad to be on you're ignore. My money's on Smokey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Again you need to clarify what's acceptable and what's not - some moderators... well one... will give you an infraction for not sharing his opinions on something or challenging his views, others are more human and willing to enter into a chat about things. What's "too far"? If recent threads are "close" then what more would be needed to tip them over the edge? The whole post was spot on Michael, especially this part! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Ooo where, I won't tell. West Yorkshire, says so in his profile. Obvious really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 umm, do you not like trampolines........ even when you're drunk? I like the idea of them and when my neighbours had one I did get tempted to sneak over and have a play when they were out - I resisted though. I think it comes back to a bad experience at Pontins in Southport, the trampolines there had big holes in the side where the springs are and nettles grew out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Define "off topic" though... what are the limits? It's a section for everything that doesn't fit in elsewhere isn't it? I'm not suggesting that the recent threads are any good but they aren't exactly against forum rules and I'm fairly sure I've started equally pointless ones along with many others over the years. Id hope common sense can work here. But it's off topic... what's considered acceptable off topic and what's not? I have some pretty random conversations with real people on a daily basis, I don't post similar stuff up here but if I wanted to would I now be given infractions or something? If I find a picture of jesus in an egg sandwich from Tesco, as an example, am I allowed to mention this here? It's not really that simple though is it? We need a strict definition of what's allowed otherwise we might fall foul of the heavy handed mod (singular). What's deemed stupid to some might be comedy genius to others, what's considered pointless to me might be the most interesting thread ever to Matt H for example... it's not as simple as you make out is it? What's acceptable to 99.9% of members might be be the worst thing ever for the remaining 0.1% - what then? This would be fine but I think the ignore user functionality needs to be given more options to help with this. I have one user on my ignore list, he's a kn*b, I don't want to know he still exists if I'm honest. Yet his name pops up in threads, I can still see he's started threads, his quoted posts appear and so on... an ignored user should be dead to me, I don't want to see their threads, their name in the members list and so on... juice it up, give me more ignore power. Again you need to clarify what's acceptable and what's not - some moderators... well one... will give you an infraction for not sharing his opinions on something or challenging his views, others are more human and willing to enter into a chat about things. What's "too far"? If recent threads are "close" then what more would be needed to tip them over the edge? From the above I presume it's OK to threaten to physically harm someone on the forum or even pay for others to do it yet it's not OK to say that someone has "issues" because they post things than many consider to be trivial? Clarification please. Sorry, too scared of those infractions. Good response. My response Common Sense or am I hoping for too much? Someone saying 'ive just burnt my toast and its a pic of a ferrari look' thats fine, im not bothered. 5 threads from the same person in a day about these weird and wonderfull things may be over the top. Im not a strict mod, however sometimes I can be pushed too far Im not saying you're suddenly going to find threads locked left right and centre. Id drop a PM to the person first to ask kindly could they tone it down. Maybe I'm on completely the wrong wave length ** EDIT ** Regarding the phyiscal threats....we discussed this via PM and thought we had become clear on why there was no action and you were happy with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Common Sense or am I hoping for too much? Your common sense? My common sense? See what I'm getting at? To be honest I don't really see a huge problem with "off topic", it doesn't seem any worse than any other period while I've been here. The problem, as I see it, lies with a handful of relatively new annoying members, change them, not everyone else. Regarding the phyiscal threats....we discussed this via PM and thought we had become clear on why there was no action and you were happy with it? And I am happy with it, as I said I'm not bothered in the slightest, but what message was given out to the members about these things? Like I said on PM I was concerned by the number of PMs I received from newer members who were worried about attending events if they had disagreed with someone on here. Is the lack of moderation in those circumstances seen as an approval for such things to be said to all members? If it was someone else being threatened would the mods have stepped in? Does that mean things aren't dealt with in the same way all of the time? If so what are the guidelines that dictate that user X is warned but user Y isn't? Not getting stressed here BTW, just curious and hoping to open up a debate before someone comes along and says "Thread Locked" until the next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Maybe I'm on completely the wrong wave length I searched Google images to find out what the wrong wave length looked like. Apparently it's this... http://www.kulthea.net/temp/GretagMacbeth_colors.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Your common sense? My common sense? See what I'm getting at? To be honest I don't really see a huge problem with "off topic", it doesn't seem any worse than any other period while I've been here. The problem, as I see it, lies with a handful of relatively new annoying members, change them, not everyone else. Common sense luckerly is quite broad so generally most people's common sense overlaps. Im not a stubborn person and am always open to other peoples point of view so Common sense should be enough to get my point across. Although I understand your view on the matter i can't give a strict set of rules, each case is individually different and id look at and decide on an individual basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Common sense luckerly is quite broad so generally most people's common sense overlaps. Im not a stubborn person and am always open to other peoples point of view so Common sense should be enough to get my point across. Although I understand your view on the matter i can't give a strict set of rules, each case is individually different and id look at and decide on an individual basis. I don't doubt *your* approach to these things for one moment sir and I applaud your ability to deal with things without using power to your advantage, it's some of the others I worry about... well one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 And I am happy with it, as I said I'm not bothered in the slightest, but what message was given out to the members about these things? Like I said on PM I was concerned by the number of PMs I received from newer members who were worried about attending events if they had disagreed with someone on here. Is the lack of moderation in those circumstances seen as an approval for such things to be said to all members? If it was someone else being threatened would the mods have stepped in? Does that mean things aren't dealt with in the same way all of the time? If so what are the guidelines that dictate that user X is warned but user Y isn't? Not getting stressed here BTW, just curious and hoping to open up a debate before someone comes along and says "Thread Locked" until the next time. Dont think because its you, you were treated any different to another member. If anything you're not treated hard enough What we do is we look at and try to work out any past history is there an element of humour or real anger. sometiems text can bring that across quite well. And yes you're right new members can definatly get the wrong idea about things, which is hard to grasp until you're in the community more. I can tell you're not stressed or picking a fight but just curious to how we decide what we are going to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 abflug all the way Common sense luckerly is quite broad so generally most people's common sense overlaps. Im not a stubborn person and am always open to other peoples point of view so Common sense should be enough to get my point across. Anyone else seeing contradictory opinions here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I can tell you're not stressed or picking a fight but just curious to how we decide what we are going to do. That's your job, I'm just here to moan about it afterwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 West Yorkshire, says so in his profile. Obvious really. I'm just a mere mortal, with simple ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 If so what are the guidelines that dictate that user X is warned but user Y isn't? Mostly we have a discussion, like WSB said, and take into account the history of the people involved, their percieved sense of humour, and all that jazz. And probably the moods of the people at the time. Let's face it, we're just ordinary punters doing this moderating lark in our spare time (well, our spare time at work mostly but you know what I mean). If you are asking us for *written* guidelines that cover every eventuality and all the nebulous stuff I just mentioned, you know you aren't going to get it. You just have to trust us, and if it's percieved as wrong now and again (I think you have occasionally subtly hinted towards something along those lines...? ) well bloody hell we can't please everyone and most of us work in IT so can't stand interacting with people anyway. Of course the amount of times we've kinda got things right falls by the wayside at times like these Also there is quite a real danger that at some point the amount of grief sent the moderator's way just isn't worth it for them to put up with it. E.g. if I was asked to write up exactly what I thought constitutes a technical thread in order to justify the ones I boot out into supra chat, and then had to defend in a big argument my reasons behind it, personally I'd just f*ck off instead. I'd have thought you'd be all for eradicating all the latest lowbrow toss anyway -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I'd have thought you'd be all for eradicating all the latest lowbrow toss anyway I'm torn, I feel like I'm guilty of it myself so to complain too much now would be a little bit hypocritical of me - I was going to start a thread earlier about having lots of near misses on the way to work due to people trying to crash into me but then considered it might be too trivial to the masses and deemed unsuitable compared with the off topic section content people are apparently craving. Who knows, just carry on the good work and try to keep your rogue element under control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 try to keep your rogue element under control I've got pills for that, ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Off Topic (31 Viewing) Chat about anything you like. Keep it clean and non-offensive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Off Topic (31 Viewing) Chat about anything you like. Keep it clean and non-offensive! A salient point, but are you perhaps indicating that we shouldn't be talking about what's talked about in off-topic? I think your salient point instantly undermines itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I dont see the problem, all seems a petty to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I do see the problem. Now for me, I only mod tech which means mostly I can ignore off topic, or at least ignore any threads that look like utter tripe and/or are started by certain people. However some mods have to trawl through the lot because that's their responsibility - it's not just swanning around in the club yacht. Now there has been a spike of tat in off topic (do you know I just got a very strong sense of deja vu typing that ) and it's so bad that the ordinary punter, even self-confessed offtopicaholics, are starting to say "my god what a load of shite there is in here". Now if people are saying "That supra board is just full of shite now, people putting up polls about what to have for breakfast and stuff" then there is a real issue here - the community, the image, the halo effect, the perception - call it what you will but it's getting tarnished. Is that a problem to you specifically? Not really I suppose. Nor to me strictly from my responsibilities standpoint. But I really don't want people thinking OUR club has gone downhill because of something that is pointless, useless, and quite easily knocked on the head if required. -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 The best way to look at it I reckon, the pub is getting a winter clean And the old pool table in the corner has had enough asses on it, and needs some new felt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class One Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 The best way to look at it I reckon, the pub is getting a winter clean And the old pool table in the corner has had enough asses on it, and needs some new felt Perhaps, but if the refurbishment is going on it's current course, then I can see only one outcome..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Perhaps, but if the refurbishment is going on it's current course, then I can see only one outcome..... A fruit machine?? Yippeeeee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Perhaps, but if the refurbishment is going on it's current course, then I can see only one outcome..... How about a "happy hour" where you can post any crap you want?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Prices will go up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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