imi Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7195298.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Pilot Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Just spoke to a collegue thats assisting with the A/craft out there and it seems there was an apparent 'lack of power' when coming in 'late' on the final approach. Auto Throttle(auto pilot system) commanded some more thrust(juice) on the final but the Engines did not respond.. even when the Pilot manually moved the throttles for full guns.. 'nothing'... So they started to drop like a stone (well at that stage of flight/approach you will)... So apparently the Jockeys really did a pretty good job of at least getting her down inside the park.. I can say that luck was with them as if they had managed to put her down with that much force on the Tarmac rather than the grass... then it would of been a disaster.... The grass being soaked(winter) acted like a cushion and took some impact as well as absorbing the spilled fuel and liquids. Because Fuel and Sparks on the Tarmac would not of been nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 With the landing looks like the pilot of the plane landed in the right spot, I shudder to think what would have happened if he actually landed on the runway. Some pilots skill and proffesionalism is simply mindblowing. Have a lot of respect for guys like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Pilot Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Official....... http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/latest_news/accident__heathrow_17_january_2008___initial_report.cfm Now to confirm if or what exactly caused this problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Official....... http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/latest_news/accident__heathrow_17_january_2008___initial_report.cfm Now to confirm if or what exactly caused this problem... Any idea when we'll get something a bit more conclusive? Most of this we already know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Official....... http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/latest_news/accident__heathrow_17_january_2008___initial_report.cfm Now to confirm if or what exactly caused this problem... Yeah was reading this report earlier Engines failed to responed, humm i wonder A/T not armed maybe?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Yeah was reading this report earlier Engines failed to responed, humm i wonder A/T not armed maybe?? whats this an abbreviation of? everyone in engineering talks in abbreviations, i struggle to keep up lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlT67 Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 whats this an abbreviation of? everyone in engineering talks in abbreviations, i struggle to keep up lol Auto throttle I think Surely the in flight data recorder would have the a/t parameter recorded, its not mandatory for it to be recorded but Virgin's black boxes record a lot more than the 'minimum'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Auto throttle I think Surely the in flight data recorder would have the a/t parameter recorded, its not mandatory for it to be recorded but Virgin's black boxes record a lot more than the 'minimum'... ah is that what they were saying when the throttle wouldn't automatically come on during flare? i heard that the pilot could not adjust the throttle manually either though (haven't read the full report yet.) sounds like an lazyonics problem to me:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 was at work today and right opposite the plane the engines fooked wheels are still there aswell as engine bits on the grass, my mate saw it crash as he was on that post and has to write a report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Aparently they are going to move it this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Aparently they are going to move it this morning. well i watched them for 5 hours and not much was done:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 well i watched them for 5 hours and not much was done:rolleyes: the bbc website suggested that they are going to move it tomorrow between 8-11am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CoolsBlue Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 totally random, but in 2005 me and my family were nearly in a plane crash while flying over the caribbean sea, was at 30,000ft and all off a sudden the plane (AIRBUS A340-300) stanrted to go nose down, with the engine starting to make that noise of speeding up and loud rattling, after a few mins the nose lifted up, pilot came on a said 'LADIES AND GENTLE ME, WE HAVE LOST CABIN PRESSURE, AS A RESLUT OF THIS WE WILL HAVE TO RETURN TO TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO' pretty scary stuff, since then ive been a little freaked out by getting on a plane:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 totally random, but in 2005 me and my family were nearly in a plane crash while flying over the caribbean sea, was at 30,000ft and all off a sudden the plane (AIRBUS A340-300) stanrted to go nose down, with the engine starting to make that noise of speeding up and loud rattling, after a few mins the nose lifted up, pilot came on a said 'LADIES AND GENTLE ME, WE HAVE LOST CABIN PRESSURE, AS A RESLUT OF THIS WE WILL HAVE TO RETURN TO TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO' pretty scary stuff, since then ive been a little freaked out by getting on a plane:D nah...you'll be fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7198598.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tucky40 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Auto throttle would definately have been on wayne. Its armed before flight and remains on till it automatically disengages on landing. If it had of disconnected in flight there would have been a visual and oral warning. It also wouldnt explain why there was no affect from manual imputs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I see that the 1st Officer was the one who landed the plane. Is that normal? I would have thought it would have been the Captain - or is it different aboard an aircraft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucky40 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I get the impression most people think the captain flies and the first officer reads the newspaper. This is partly true;) But its normal practice in every airline for each pilot to take it in turns........i.e they decide between them at the beginning of the day that the first officer will take the plane to the destination and the captain will fly it back to base or vice versa. Things are a little more complicated in BA but basically it looks as though it was the First officers sector back from beijing. As he was in control and the incident happened so close to the ground it was probably easiest and safest for him to remain in control and land it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I learn something new again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 well i watched them for 5 hours and not much was done:rolleyes: You busy at work then? I'm flying out on Sunday...no doubt Jazz will still be sat there watching the weeds grow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 You busy at work then? I'm flying out on Sunday...no doubt Jazz will still be sat there watching the weeds grow depends what post im on:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIJ8631 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 No matter what mechanical/electrical problem caused the crash - just goes to show you the abilities of the pilots to bring it home. Seemingly some of the passengers didnt even know that the plane had crashed !! Gives you confidence in flying. Knowing quite a few of BA's pilots it just goes to show that all the training and reassessments that they go through are well worth while. For such a major problem to have so very few casualties was extremely remarkable - testimony to the flight and cabin crews training. Cheers Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Any comment on this theory read on another board? "It could be that the crash was caused by fueling procedures in China (this is supposedly from a BA pilot). Apparently planes are suppose to be filled as soon as they land to stop condensation building up in the fuel tank, in china they don't (apparently). So why is condensation bad? Well at altitude its pretty cold -50oC or was it -150oC wind chill cant remember, something like that anyway. Anyway the water from the condensation freezes and turns to ice if ice gets jammed in the fuel lines no fuel gets to the engines and you've got a big brick falling from the sky. Apparently there have been three similar incidents in china last year alone." Surely the effect of any iced fuel lines would have been felt much earlier on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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