SUPRASUZUKI Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Lack of a fire at the crash could indicate a lack of fuel, maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Pilot Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Lack of fuel is not at all likely... there are too many fail safe features for this to occur. AFAIK there was not a PAN(emergency call). Tower or no one was informed of any abnormalities, they were not priority to come in either. So all parameters on approach and Finals were normal. Had to be Jockey error, serious Windshear, Auto Land Command fault, or combi of both very late on. Not even convinced they had a double flame out as apparently the flare was fine and if they had no throttle power so late in the roll out they would of hit the deck so frecking hard it would of been far worse! Something caused them to fall short very very late on............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
far Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 feckin 'ell im flying into heathrow tomorrow - is this still likely to effect flights on friday? ime not,any heathrow workers feedback would be helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Lack of fuel is not at all likely... there are too many fail safe features for this to occur. AFAIK there was not a PAN(emergency call). Tower or no one was informed of any abnormalities, they were not priority to come in either. So all parameters on approach and Finals were normal. Had to be Jockey error, serious Windshear, Auto Land Command fault, or combi of both very late on. Not even convinced they had a double flame out as apparently the flare was fine and if they had no throttle power so late in the roll out they would of hit the deck so frecking hard it would of been far worse! Something caused them to fall short very very late on............. Wouldn't you expect a fire though, from ruptured tanks? (Just guessing.....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Wouldn't you expect a fire though, from ruptured tanks? (Just guessing.....) Like in Die Hard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Like in Die Hard 2 Yippee-ki-yay, motherf**ker." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Like in Die Hard 2 Yipeekiyay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Lack of fuel is not at all likely... there are too many fail safe features for this to occur. AFAIK there was not a PAN(emergency call). Tower or no one was informed of any abnormalities, they were not priority to come in either. So all parameters on approach and Finals were normal. Had to be Jockey error, serious Windshear, Auto Land Command fault, or combi of both very late on. Not even convinced they had a double flame out as apparently the flare was fine and if they had no throttle power so late in the roll out they would of hit the deck so frecking hard it would of been far worse! Something caused them to fall short very very late on............. would have to been a aircraft issue then as everyone else using coupled approch np strikes me for what ever reason he stalled be that engine faliure whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlT67 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I think by the apu doors, they meant the air inlet on the top of the fuse, as this was open on the ground in the news footage. Also I first thought that they had run out of fuel as apparently they had all ready had a go and completed one go around. Its quite possible that they were put into a holding patten for sometime due to others having difficulty landing and then one go around later they ran out.... But like previously stated there would have been a emergency call in... Very fishy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 feckin 'ell im flying into heathrow tomorrow - is this still likely to effect flights on friday? ime not,any heathrow workers feedback would be helpful The affected runway is back in use during the day, although not the full length of it, so only smaller aircraft will use it. That will cause a bit of disruption as normally one runway is used for landings and the other takeoffs. Large aircraft will have to land on the takeoff runway, which will cause all sorts of hassle routing the aircraft around the taxiways. Also they have had to revert to single runway operations at night as the runway lights are out of action. So there will be quite a lot of disruption, they will cancel some short haul flights at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Pilot Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 With regard to the APU doors being open, I can't see that as being abnormal. As a matter of fact while typing here my collegue has just informed me that it is in fact part of their SOP (start APU before landing.) So that is a non starter! (or not, lol) I have more info now but unfortunatly cannot disclose on a public forum.. sorry. Oh, and no PM's please... (it may just be rumours) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 With regard to the APU doors being open, I can't see that as being abnormal. As a matter of fact while typing here my collegue has just informed me that it is in fact part of their SOP (start APU before landing.) So that is a non starter! (or not, lol) I have more info now but unfortunatly cannot disclose on a public forum.. sorry. Oh, and no PM's please... (it may just be rumours) grr i won,t sleep now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 With regard to the APU doors being open, I can't see that as being abnormal. As a matter of fact while typing here my collegue has just informed me that it is in fact part of their SOP (start APU before landing.) So that is a non starter! (or not, lol) I have more info now but unfortunatly cannot disclose on a public forum.. sorry. Oh, and no PM's please... (it may just be rumours) Tease!! Anyway, you can tell me. I have full security clearance LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Thats what rumours are for, to be spread around? Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucky40 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 It is not normal procedure to start the APU before landing so you can tell your mate to stop talking out of his ar@se. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Pilot Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Sorry guys but it is pure speculation and nothing more at this time. But lets keep all the theories coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Pilot Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Whats your SOP's on the 77 then? Actually with regard to use of the APU.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucky40 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 As late as possible...........one of the biggest costs to an airline is fuel( no more running out of fuel jokes). Makes no sense starting the APU before landing. It can take 30mins or more to get to stand some days. Normally 2 or 3 mins before parking and shutting engines down is a good time to start to old APU uo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucky40 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I'm thinking maybe it was a flying pig that took an engine out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I'm thinking maybe it was a flying pig that took an engine out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Pilot Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Flying pig it could be indeed.... What are your thoughts........ I see you mentioned Bird strike on approach.. hmmm, taking out both engines, it will take a hell of a lot of birds to stop a Trent 800... 2 for that matter! But then again a couple witnesses claimed the engines were roaring...? Sudden power(elec) failure I would suspect.... if it were an Airbus that is... lol Lets see what Wayne can share, I think he's fully rated on the 77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucky40 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Really dont know supra pilot.......time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Pilot Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Dam sorry sight unfortunatly.... Hope it does not kick BA in the balls! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dam sorry sight unfortunatly.... Hope it does not kick BA in the balls! Hopefully find out more today very fishy this one beginning to think it is a case of serve windshear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Shouldn't be too hard to find the cause, with the plane, pilots and black box all readily available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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