supradibbs Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Aparently the APU door was open???...... I didn't think APU's had doors unless they actually mean the RAT? The APU has basically 4 doors for servicing inspection etc two main doors and two smaller doors aft off the main that act as a means of venting the pressure that builds up in the APU compartment, we always open these doors first otherwose you end up with a very big headache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 As it was coming in to 'land' a witness asid the APU door was open. I'm guessing they actually mean the RAT. That would fit in nicely with the passengers saying they came in VERY fast. Possibly the pilot was indeed working with a total power failure and had deployed the RAT to gain limited electrical and hydraulic power (and at least have some control of the hydraulic surface pairs?). High speed = RAT keeps working. Possible scenario Wayne? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz_turbo1 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 believe it or not but i seen this plane come in, i was sitting at lights and come pass me and the front was sticking up and arse end low down, which make's sense as he lost power and done this to get a bit of hieght and distance, i did'nt no it crashed untill i got a phone call 10 mins later asking if i had seen anything, and then i knew it was that plane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 As it was coming in to 'land' a witness asid the APU door was open. I'm guessing they actually mean the RAT. That would fit in nicely with the passengers saying they came in VERY fast. Possibly the pilot was indeed working with a total power failure and had deployed the RAT to gain limited electrical and hydraulic power (and at least have some control of the hydraulic surface pairs?). High speed = RAT keeps working. Possible scenario Wayne? If he had lost all power the RAT deploys automatically and will supply some flight control surfaces and emergency electrically buses only is enough to keep it in the Air this would mean the engines had flamed out so can only be fuel other wise he would have cranked the APU to gain electrical power, got to be honest makes no sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 believe it or not but i seen this plane come in, i was sitting at lights and come pass me and the front was sticking up and arse end low down, which make's sense as he lost power and done this to get a bit of hieght and distance, i did'nt no it crashed untill i got a phone call 10 mins later asking if i had seen anything, and then i knew it was that plane Not allways the case he could of been to fast on the approach so was stalling the A/C to dump speed i.e high angle off attack, which would make no sense if he had no power, would like to off sign flap and slat position on approach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris2o2 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Wow your Mum is a Air Hostess well you should of said they always think they know everything Ahh your right working on them she wont know fu*k all i bet . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I have no idea what it is you guys are talking about, but do carry on, I'm picking up bits and pieces and working it out. Fascinating stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ahh your right working on them she wont know fu*k all i bet . Pretty much mate I work these airplanes i know the systems i know how they work, am sorry to be rude but i work with air hostesses all day long and they think they know it all mate i should know am bractically married to one not saying they know nothing i.e all brain dead but they not pilots or engineers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 If he had lost all power the RAT deploys automatically and will supply some flight control surfaces and emergency electrically buses only is enough to keep it in the Air this would mean the engines had flamed out so can only be fuel other wise he would have cranked the APU to gain electrical power, got to be honest makes no sense to me Hmmm, strange, a friend mention something along the same lines. That he had run out of fuel on approach. No engines = no control. My assumption would be without engine power, the hydralic system wouldn't lock the wheels properly, or would they just be sheered off from the force on the ground and the grass/gravel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Hmmm, strange, a friend mention something along the same lines. That he had run out of fuel on approach. No engines = no control. My assumption would be without engine power, the hydralic system wouldn't lock the wheels properly, or would they just be sheered off from the force on the ground and the grass/gravel. free fall should be enough not lock in position would have to check on that i will have a lock at the scymatic tomorrow Complete loss of Fuel at the moment seems the only real answer be intresting to see what tucky40 or privite pile has to say about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 i thought you were a baggage handler:search: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucky40 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Lol wayne say it how it is!! Chris your mum would know a hell of alot about the plane but only from a customer service and security point of view. What wayne is saying is she would know nothing at all about the mechanics and flying of the plane which is true. I'm thinking maybe they hit a flock of birds on final aproach and lost both engines! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 There is more detailed info on this thread on the crash than on sky news, very interesting, but OMG someone is for the high jump if they ran out of fuel ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris2o2 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Pretty much mate I work these airplanes i know the systems i know how they work, am sorry to be rude but i work with air hostesses all day long and they think they know it all mate i should know am bractically married to one not saying they know nothing i.e all brain dead but they not pilots or engineers I know what you mean as i said i work for the BAA and to be honest cant stand hostesses and they're snobbery . She can be a pain in the a**e but its my mum you know !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 i thought you were a baggage handler:search: Nah, Wayne's not a thief!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Lol wayne say it how it is!! Chris your mum would know a hell of alot about the plane but only from a customer service and security point of view. What wayne is saying is she would know nothing at all about the mechanics and flying of the plane which is true. I'm thinking maybe they hit a flock of birds on final aproach and lost both engines! Ahhh thats a good point never thought about that mate would explain lack off time to start APU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 There is more detailed info on this thread on the crash than on sky news, very interesting, but OMG someone is for the high jump if they ran out of fuel ?? With the price of fuel at the moment, probably only stuck a fiver in it at the pump. Just kidding. In all seriousness if it is something as simple as that then it would be a good thing, because joe public will be jumping to all sorts of conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Complete loss of Fuel at the moment seems the only real answer be intresting to see what tucky40 or privite pile has to say about that They should have called low fuel WAY before approach..... Get it soemetimes at Gatwick & they call full emergency half an hour before it lands. Sudden fuel supply failure? Wierd. Edit: Seen Tucky40's post. Multiple bird strike? Say Geese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Fueling of aircraft is not taken lightly, there are various weight and balance processes used which take into account lots of variables including enough fuel to circle and divert etc. If it did run out of fuel then someone could be looking at a prison term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucky40 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I would put my money on it being anything but running out of fuel. Unless they had some sort of fuel system failure which i doubt On the average day a 777 from somewhere like the far east will be landing with about 4-6 tonnes of fuel.......about 3tonnes of that being the legel 'reserves' minimum. a tonne equates to about ten minutes flying time....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I would put my money on it being anything but running out of fuel. Unless they had some sort of fuel system failure which i doubt On the average day a 777 from somewhere like the far east will be landing with about 4-6 tonnes of fuel.......about 3tonnes of that being the legel 'reserves' minimum. a tonne equates to about ten minutes flying time....... Unless some fly boy jettisons all the fuel lol I agree fuel loss does seem unlickly but just cn think off anything else at the momoment remember Air transat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheekymonkey Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Anyone remember the Gimli Glider incident? Fascinating story. http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranz Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Anyone remember the Gimli Glider incident? Fascinating story. http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html Christ on a bike! I never was a fan of crossing the controls to side slip, but in an unresponsive 132 ton 767???? That takes some balls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Anyone remember the Gimli Glider incident? Fascinating story. http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html Great story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathew Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 ive been talking to a female friend today who has just passed as an air hostess with BA and her first flight is tomorrow to bombay. she was nervous as it was before todays events! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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