Who has your vote?

[Blackie]

Unrelated question Carl but are you working on a thesis of some kind for university ?

 

lol, read post 64

[colsoop]

lol, read post 64

 

Do you mean 63 ?

 

Great minds and all that

 

Frome previous experiences we have had people come on here and slowly integrate themselves over time their agenda becomes known.

[Carl_S]

Unrelated question Carl but are you working on a thesis of some kind for university ?

 

Do you mean 63 ?

 

Great minds and all that

 

Frome previous experiences we have had people come on here and slowly integrate themselves over time their agenda becomes known.

 

I can understand your apprehension, but I have no hidden agenda, and I'm not using you guys for a project for uni/college or suchlike. Just want to be accepted here, respect and love would be nice too, but I'll settle for acceptance.

 

And er, failing all that, tolerate I guess would be the operative word.

[Snooze]

As for oil being some kind of conspracy reason, I just don't buy it, that and the disinformation. Yes there was "sexing up", but no mass delusion or mass conspiracy. Control of oil and the power that it brings must have been an incidental military reason, but I believe it was not the major one that cost us lives in combat.

 

If you are so sure that Oil was the main reason for the invasion of Iraq (GW2) can you suppy any kind of evidence or hints to where this information lies? Or answer this: How does invading a country and conquering it equate to having long term control of the revenue of its natural oil reserves?

 

Have you heard the conspiracy that this is maybe actually about nuclear power?

 

Especially with the similarities with the current situation over Iran.

 

The theory is that oil IS going to get too expensive. If it's not Iraqi oil, it's Iranian oil or Venezuelan oil or something.

So the next step is widespread adoption of nuclear power.

Now at the moment, only a handful of nations are capable of delivering and installing nuclear power facilities, because you have to refine uranium to a certain degree (4%, or something) to do so.

Funnily enough, the "nuclear facilities" discovered in Iraq, and in existence in Iran are apparently designed for refining uranium to...guess what.....4%, and not the 96% refinement required for actually producing WMD.

The idea being that the US ultimately lead a consortium with the plan of monopolising and licensing nuclear power facilities to the rest of the world.

 

[Guest dangerousandy]

I always vote Tory - hardcore right winger through and through

[downimpact]

i'd never vote tory as they destroyed our once great nation. Tax cuts lead to no roads, no nhs, no denistry, no opticians, no education! It's absurd the country is in such a state from years of abuse. You can't fix this over night as people wont pay for years of missed back tax.

 

Having said that good labour came in got things moving in the right direction but they now seem to want to protect us from ourselves, which is stupid, making laws against people co-ercing our behaviour not going with the peoples wants.

 

Which leaves the lib dems which for me are in the middle between the other two but even then i don't like all their policies at times either.

[Carl_S]

Have you heard the conspiracy that this is maybe actually about nuclear power?

 

Especially with the similarities with the current situation over Iran.

 

The theory is that oil IS going to get too expensive. If it's not Iraqi oil, it's Iranian oil or Venezuelan oil or something.

So the next step is widespread adoption of nuclear power.

Now at the moment, only a handful of nations are capable of delivering and installing nuclear power facilities, because you have to refine uranium to a certain degree (4%, or something) to do so.

Funnily enough, the "nuclear facilities" discovered in Iraq, and in existence in Iran are apparently designed for refining uranium to...guess what.....4%, and not the 96% refinement required for actually producing WMD.

The idea being that the US ultimately lead a consortium with the plan of monopolising and licensing nuclear power facilities to the rest of the world.

 

 

Sounds like we will never know if that was ever true ( I doubt it is), so we might as well just carry on, becuase no one will tell us will they, no one in the know.

 

It's interesting, though I do wonder if the science behind is correct.

 

Would make a good movie no doubt.

[Carl_S]

I always vote Tory - hardcore right winger through and through

 

good on ya

[Charlotte]

Bnp

 

I hope you're watching BNP wives on SkyOne.

 

It's hilarious.

[Nick]

All involved? Didn't the government make an absolute fortune out of it?

 

They did. They made billions and it makes me sick. They could have put limits on the bids but they didn't, they knew the operators would panic and put in silly bids to ensure their future and saw it as a great way to make money.

 

If the operators had used some common sense it wouldn't have been so much of a problem. They spent so much money on the licenses, that there was nothing left to pay for the networks. Add to that the assumption that everyone would want 3G... it was a complete cluster f*ck. No one was really interested and it was thought at one stage that it would be a complete flop.

[Nick]

i'd never vote tory as they destroyed our once great nation. Tax cuts lead to no roads, no nhs, no denistry, no opticians, no education! It's absurd the country is in such a state from years of abuse. You can't fix this over night as people wont pay for years of missed back tax.

 

Having said that good labour came in got things moving in the right direction but they now seem to want to protect us from ourselves, which is stupid, making laws against people co-ercing our behaviour not going with the peoples wants.

 

Which leaves the lib dems which for me are in the middle between the other two but even then i don't like all their policies at times either.

 

The economy was strong when Labour came into power. It's not how much tax you take, it's what you do with it.

[vvteye]

I'd vote for Plaid Cwmru but I'm worried that all I'll get on my telly is frickin S4C

[Max Headroom]

at wallpaper..

 

I agree with the goldreserve aspect, but how where they supposed to know at the time? How would you have known? It's easier with hindsight..

 

How has labour messed up exactly though? Yes there was the pensions, immigration, and data security scandals, but remember the tories and the boom, bust thing they had going? And all the sleeze. They became a joke. Admittedly Cameron has done a great job at turning things around, and they are serious contenders, and may even will then next gen. election. (in about 2 years isnt it?)

 

 

Labour not sleazy then? Mandelson with his dodgy loan application. Sawar with passport for his mates, cash for honours. Blair Witch not paying train fare and setting up a law firm to deal with the Human Rights Act. The EU Treaty signed without consultation or referendum, Peter Hain and the "forgotten" £103K. Labour are a far greater joke than the conservatives ever were. Our NHS is now the sick man of Europe, I would dread having to go into hospital, we have no joined up public transport system. We are being taxed far greater than we were under the tories. Each year new taxes are brought in to take more money from us. Where does it all go?? Gay and Lesbian Stop Smoking co-ordinators, Hospital Waiting List Rubber stamper Manager.

 

We are sleepwalking into a democratically elected socialist state

[Carl_S]

Labour not sleazy then? Mandelson with his dodgy loan application. Sawar with passport for his mates, cash for honours. Blair Witch not paying train fare and setting up a law firm to deal with the Human Rights Act. The EU Treaty signed without consultation or referendum, Peter Hain and the "forgotten" £103K. Labour are a far greater joke than the conservatives ever were. Our NHS is now the sick man of Europe, I would dread having to go into hospital, we have no joined up public transport system. We are being taxed far greater than we were under the tories. Each year new taxes are brought in to take more money from us. Where does it all go?? Gay and Lesbian Stop Smoking co-ordinators, Hospital Waiting List Rubber stamper Manager.

 

We are sleepwalking into a democratically elected socialist state

 

 

Labour a far greater joke than the tories? I dont think so. Now, there is certainly plenty to poke fun at labout at. But before they lost power in 1997 the tories were a laughing stock.

 

Yes there is going to be sleaze anywhere where there are humans, and power. But I feel the tories are the worst for it. As for the referendum on the EU treaty, it wasn't necessary becuase it wasnt substantially different and our national interests were fully protected by the non-negotiable red lines. I think it included red lines in defense, tax and social policy. Cameron and his lovers are only making a fuss about it to score political points.

 

But give him credit, he'd done a great job at turning the tories round, and getting them looking beyond weeping for maggie to come back.

[Homer]

Out of interest, how old are you Carl? (Not a piss take, it's a genuine question)

[Carl_S]

Out of interest, how old are you Carl? (Not a piss take, it's a genuine question)

 

I can sense the genuiness Homer, but im rather reticent to say. Somewhere between 25 and 35. Sorry. Unless you want to play a quick game, you guess, and I say higher or lower.

[Homer]

I can sense the genuiness Homer, but im rather reticent to say. Somewhere between 25 and 35. Sorry. Unless you want to play a quick game, you guess, and I say higher or lower.

 

So you're more or less my age, judging by a few of your previous posts I'd assumed you were younger and had not lived through both the UK's more recent peak capitalist and socialist eras. Your views will most likely have a great deal to do with your social (particularly your families/social groups) standing during the peak of each government.

[Carl_S]

yer, i woz der init

[Homer]

yer, i woz der init

 

What is that supposed to mean?

[JustGav]

Can I make a shot in the dark here and I don't mean to offend, have you travelled a lot?

[Max Headroom]

Labour a far greater joke than the tories? I dont think so. Now, there is certainly plenty to poke fun at labout at. But before they lost power in 1997 the tories were a laughing stock.

 

Yes there is going to be sleaze anywhere where there are humans, and power. But I feel the tories are the worst for it. As for the referendum on the EU treaty, it wasn't necessary becuase it wasnt substantially different and our national interests were fully protected by the non-negotiable red lines. I think it included red lines in defense, tax and social policy. Cameron and his lovers are only making a fuss about it to score political points.

 

But give him credit, he'd done a great job at turning the tories round, and getting them looking beyond weeping for maggie to come back.

 

 

I am guessing from your answer you are a staunch Labour man and you believe what you want. I for one remember the 3 day working week, power strikes and when the refuse was piled up in the streets in the 70s.

When we signed up for the EU Common Market, that was what it was, a common market where all the countries could freely trade with each other. Before the signing of the treaty, GB promised a referendum, HE LIED, and signed it anyway and even then he cocked it up! All the leaders were there but him.

Labours "tax and spend" has hit those it purports to champion, the poor, the old, those living in rural areas. He is taking 5 billion a year from pensions, changes to the basic rate of tax mean you are paying more. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3761255.stm shows the tax burden is getting greater.

As for Tory sleaze, yes there was but it was normally on a personal level, they were caught with their pants down, this lot are far worse when it comes to sleaze, this is sleaze on a professional level.

[Syed Shah]

A good thread. Just to pose a question, as a lot of this is focused on Iraq:

 

 

Let us just say (hypothetically of course) that we did invade Iraq for oil.

 

What would be wrong with that? Some here will remember the oil crisis. Oil is the driving factor behind all the major Western economies, without it we beconme totally destabilised. Can we risk that? I don't think so.

 

People seem to think:

 

A) We did not invade for oil (ok then.... like we had any WMD evidence, so why DID we invade?) . These tend to be our right-wingers, and they vehmently deny oil has anything to do with it all.

 

B) We went in for oil, and that is a terrible thing to do. (these tend to be the 'Left Wing')

 

 

But how about C) We did go in for oil, as it is essential for our economy (and we ARE the good guys in the world!) AND THAT IS A GOOD THING!

 

It seem people in cat A+B just don't appreciate/understand Global Economics.

[Carl_S]

What is that supposed to mean?

 

Read it in a chavvy accent and you might find out.

 

Can I make a shot in the dark here and I don't mean to offend, have you travelled a lot?

 

Why would that offend? No I haven't travelled a lot. Only been to one other continent apart from europe. But compared to someone who has never left his/her home town, yeah I have travelled a fair bit.

 

Curious as to why your asking though.

 

A good thread. Just to pose a question, as a lot of this is focused on Iraq:

 

 

Let us just say (hypothetically of course) that we did invade Iraq for oil.

 

No we didn't, It was the issue of WMD, with oil playing a minor part.

 

What would be wrong with that? Some here will remember the oil crisis. Oil is the driving factor behind all the major Western economies, without it we beconme totally destabilised. Can we risk that? I don't think so.

 

Interesting idea, but like someone said here there are alternatives, nuclear for example.

 

People seem to think:

 

A) We did not invade for oil (ok then.... like we had any WMD evidence, so why DID we invade?) . These tend to be our right-wingers, and they vehmently deny oil has anything to do with it all.

 

I believe it played a part, but was not the main reason.

 

B) We went in for oil, and that is a terrible thing to do. (these tend to be the 'Left Wing')

 

It would be terrible if we mainly went in for control of the oil revenue, but we didnt.

 

But how about C) We did go in for oil, as it is essential for our economy (and we ARE the good guys in the world!) AND THAT IS A GOOD THING!

 

So its a good thing to be completely selfish on a national level and pee bullets and bombs over other countries just becuase they have something that is useful to us? I dont think so.

 

It seem people in cat A+B just don't appreciate/understand Global Economics.

 

Global Economics? Talk to me about that. You think the world goes round on money only? You are mistaken in my opinion.