Carl_S Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I used to be a liberal democrat becuase I thought they were cool and trendy, and stood for common sense and truth, and not the bullcrap of the main parties. But now, I'm a bit older and a bit wiser I want to support a party that stands for something, so I decided to give Labour my vote. I know Tony Blair got a bad press for Iraq, but I really think he did the right thing: invade Iraq. Just hope they wont slap on a high tax for fast cars like supras, or a lot of us will have to give up our hobbies. What party gets your vote at the moment? Mods, would you move this to off topic please? And if you would, add the following poll: Choices are Labour, Conservative, or Liberal Democrat. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I vote for a fancy dress party!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Politicians are all the same, same MO. They will say whatever they believe will sway the most public vote, and then do the opposite when they are elected. In all honesty, it is impossible for any party to get elected and suddenly change policy and lets be honest, they don't often change it to suit joe public. (IMHO flawed and all) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Politicians are all the same, same MO. They will say whatever they believe will sway the most public vote, and then do the opposite when they are elected. In all honesty, it is impossible for any party to get elected and suddenly change policy and lets be honest, they don't often change it to suit joe public. (IMHO flawed and all) Bit of a generalisation, but I agree that there is a lot of pleasing the public just to get votes, sound bites and all. Personally I feel the main culprits for that are the lib dems and the tories. But I'm sure labour - or new labour - have done it too , but not to the extent of the others. So what is their MO, according to you? Get elected and stay in power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 I vote for a fancy dress party!! what would you come as though (I think its a pretty good idea). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Politicians are all the same, same MO. Thats why I've never voted and never will. Its a complete waste of my time because they are all arseholes, regardless of which one is running the show Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 The current bunch of theiving lying dishonest bar stewards are far worse than anything we have had before. The party of the people has raised more taxes and messed up big style. GB sold half the UKs gold reserve and pumped it into the euro - its gone up in value by 15%, gold on the other hand has risen 216%. Ministers have taken backhanders and done dodgy deals far worse than any conservative. And as for the liberal democrats, they spend their time in committee meetings deciding what colour the wallpaper is going to be. Muppets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Thats why I've never voted and never will. Its a complete waste of time because they are all arseholes, one way or another Gaz. Damn, why such a negative view about them. Is it becuase they can't seem to give a straight answer to a question? How can you say that someone much loved as churchill was an ars*hole?, and even more recently john major? Surely these, as well as Tony Blair, are great politicians? And being able to vote, thats a great thing. Women had to fight to get it not so long ago (1900's I think), why never vote, ever?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I used to be a real Tory boy, but in recent years the definitions and policies between the two main parties have weakened. We're now in a position where there is no good leadership candidates in either party, no real policy differences and each are just grasping for votes in any area. Sadly it's demised to the US two party system where, for the most of us, there isn't any real term difference between the two main parties. For some reason I always vote Tory, regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 So what is their MO, according to you? Get elected and stay in power? Indeed, there must be a hint of megalomania. At the end of the day the prime minister is indeed the leader of a policital party. I fully believe that politicians do indeed lie, they promise things in order to gain favour. They may indeed even intend to do what they promise, however the reality is that they get sidetracked with other issues. Disclaimer : This my personal view and not that of anybody else related to me in anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 what would you come as though (I think its a pretty good idea). I would go as someone who couldn't give a monkeys about politics!! They are all bent, useless piles of elephant w@nk who are stealing a living. This country is falling to pieces and nobody can do anything about it. What is worse - none of them have the balls to try!! I would just love to see someone with some steel who will just tell it how it is..!! I have never voted either as I don't see the point..... H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 The current bunch of theiving lying dishonest bar stewards are far worse than anything we have had before. The party of the people has raised more taxes and messed up big style. GB sold half the UKs gold reserve and pumped it into the euro - its gone up in value by 15%, gold on the other hand has risen 216%. Ministers have taken backhanders and done dodgy deals far worse than any conservative. And as for the liberal democrats, they spend their time in committee meetings deciding what colour the wallpaper is going to be. Muppets at wallpaper.. I agree with the goldreserve aspect, but how where they supposed to know at the time? How would you have known? It's easier with hindsight.. How has labour messed up exactly though? Yes there was the pensions, immigration, and data security scandals, but remember the tories and the boom, bust thing they had going? And all the sleeze. They became a joke. Admittedly Cameron has done a great job at turning things around, and they are serious contenders, and may even will then next gen. election. (in about 2 years isnt it?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 You show me any politician in the upper echelons of ANY party including some the so-called "people's" parties who is living WITH the people. I certainly don't see Tony Blair or any of his crownies in a 2bedroom bedsit in Popley? (Popley being a rather larger social estate in Basingstoke). In order to be a true representative of a group of people you need to be one of them and live with the hardships they have to do go through each day. Sadly human nature means that once someone manages to get above a certain group they are more than happy to stay there or try achieve an even higher status. While there are exceptions I've yet to see many in politics. Standard disclaimer as above applies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Indeed, there must be a hint of megalomania. At the end of the day the prime minister is indeed the leader of a policital party. I fully believe that politicians do indeed lie, they promise things in order to gain favour. They may indeed even intend to do what they promise, however the reality is that they get sidetracked with other issues. Disclaimer : This my personal view and not that of anybody else related to me in anyway. Yeah, the two main parties do have more similarities than differences in the last decade or so. But still, don't you think that tories really stand for more power to the individual, less state control, lower taxes. Whereas labour, generally stands for more state control, higher taxes, and more social justice? I used to be a real Tory boy, but in recent years the definitions and policies between the two main parties have weakened. We're now in a position where there is no good leadership candidates in either party, no real policy differences and each are just grasping for votes in any area. Sadly it's demised to the US two party system where, for the most of us, there isn't any real term difference between the two main parties. For some reason I always vote Tory, regardless. I think the foreign sec would make a great PM one day. Cameron as primeminister doesn't seem to wash with me. I'm sure hes a nice guy and stuff, but he seems a bit weedy. Gordon Brown beats him hands down on that front. But yea, since labour dropped a lot of the communist thinking, there has been less difference between them. I would go as someone who couldn't give a monkeys about politics!! They are all bent, useless piles of elephant w@nk who are stealing a living. This country is falling to pieces and nobody can do anything about it. What is worse - none of them have the balls to try!! I would just love to see someone with some steel who will just tell it how it is..!! I have never voted either as I don't see the point..... H. Which is why most young guys want to see clarkson as PM in the commons. But which party would most suit his style. I'm thinking tory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 You show me any politician in the upper echelons of ANY party including some the so-called "people's" parties who is living WITH the people. I certainly don't see Tony Blair or any of his crownies in a 2bedroom bedsit in Popley? (Popley being a rather larger social estate in Basingstoke). In order to be a true representative of a group of people you need to be one of them and live with the hardships they have to do go through each day. Sadly human nature means that once someone manages to get above a certain group they are more than happy to stay there or try achieve an even higher status. While there are exceptions I've yet to see many in politics. Standard disclaimer as above applies John Major is an exception to that I feel. He didnt have a very elite upbringing. Read his autobiography. For the most Part an interesting read. Mo Molam was a goodie too. Besides, not sure I agree with your general point, you got to live it ruff in chavy estates, in order to be a good polictian, and a good thing for this country. But yeah, when some people reach power, they seem to change. Unless it is our perception of them that actually changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Yeah, the two main parties do have more similarities than differences in the last decade or so. But still, don't you think that tories really stand for more power to the individual, less state control, lower taxes. Whereas labour, generally stands for more state control, higher taxes, and more social justice? I have no idea what the tories or anybody else stands for to be honest. Nobody is going to lower taxes, remember the government is run as a business at the end of the day. The level of income can't go down... State control? Without putting a tinhat on, of course the government don't have control of things. Where do you think election money comes from. The money is paid for "assistance" with whatever corporate issue they have. Do you think all these government watch bodies are here to look after us? Majority of things are licensed by them via the government. Look at the 3G license fiasco, we are talking about radio spectrum here. The prices that they went for was just stupid. Yes I realise this sounds very much like an alumnati conspiracy but such is life. Disclaimer : My own opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Bring back Maggie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Bring back Maggie! Too fooking right!! I bet anyone who was affected in that era would go back to that compared to now!! This place has become insanity - gone mad!! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Okay, lets shake it up a bit. Capitalism by its very nature is negative towards its own people. The main basis of capitalism is that profit dictates success. This success is done at the expense of those lower down the chain. Sadly most political parties are driven by capitalists. Oh dear that makes me sound like a right red Disclaimer : Same as the above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Look at the 3G license fiasco You just know we're all talking about that one! errr, what fiasco? I'm betting you're the only person on here that's aware of that particular scandal, Gav I find that the biggest problem with politics is that it assumes quite a high level of prior knowledge. So people just don't bother getting into it these days - there's just so much other 'stuff' to fill your time with. Back in the day, when JB was young, people got into politics 'cos there was nowt else to get excited about. But now folks are more interested in BluRay V HD, or PS3 v X360, or iPod v errr whatever I'm rambling now. Time for bed. Politics. . . . Zzzzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 You just know we're all talking about that one! errr, what fiasco? I'm betting you're the only person on here that's aware of that particular scandal, Gav Heheehe, okay, geek busted on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 as mentioned by others beforehand.... I hate the lot of em! They lie cheat and rob their way through life AND get paid for it. They havent done anything to help me in my life and doubt they will. I have never voted (and before those that say you should) I never will. there is no one out for the country.... hell you even have a PM that wasnt voted in..... yeah... works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I used to be a liberal democrat becuase I thought they were cool and trendy, and stood for common sense and truth, and not the bullcrap of the main parties. But now, I'm a bit older and a bit wiser I want to support a party that stands for something, so I decided to give Labour my vote. I know Tony Blair got a bad press for Iraq, but I really think he did the right thing: invade Iraq. Just hope they wont slap on a high tax for fast cars like supras, or a lot of us will have to give up our hobbies. What party gets your vote at the moment? was supposed to post a poll with this, but forgot to check the box. Choices are Labour, Conservative, or Liberal Democrat. at wallpaper.. I agree with the goldreserve aspect, but how where they supposed to know at the time? How would you have known? It's easier with hindsight.. How has labour messed up exactly though? Yes there was the pensions, immigration, and data security scandals, but remember the tories and the boom, bust thing they had going? And all the sleeze. They became a joke. Admittedly Cameron has done a great job at turning things around, and they are serious contenders, and may even will then next gen. election. (in about 2 years isnt it?) Are you taking the piss? Have the Lib Dems ever been cool and trendy? They look like paedophiles and until Nick Clegg won the leadership they had some very odd policies and proposals. In some ways they are like the Ramblers association. The Lib Dems were the anti-fun party, they'd slap a tax on orgasms if they could. I cannot see how Iraq could possibly be considered 'a good thing'. Blair should be in The Hauge for war crimes ffs. Nothing good whats so ever has come out of the Iraqi invasion, or Afganistan for that matter- 7 years of work there has just been undone because now we are talking to the Taliban to co-operate the vanquishing of Al Qa'ida. We now have global insecurity, $100 a barrel oil, huge terrorism threats and 4000 dead soldiers amongst the allies and god knows how many seriously wounded- 30,000? Independent reports claim 645,000 Iraqis have died, with 9 million homeless, 60% have no power or sanitation. High tax on cars is already here- this year it will cost £400 to tax a band G car- that's 225g/km- ie fu*k all, that's big Mondeo territory. Luckily there's a loophole for 2001-2002 Supras or they would be paying £300. Do you know how much of that £1 a litre is tax- 85% of the whole. That doesn't mean we pay 85% tax on juice, it means we pay 85p tax on 15p's worth of petrol- is that not something like 550% tax? Has Gold ever gone down, and not recovered? I'm not a business expert but it's funny how the city boys always consider gold as a safe bet and say when all else fails invest in gold. IIrc the press, pundits and experts all critised GB for selling off the gold. As for Labour avoiding boom or bust- lets be fair, Gordon inherited a very strong economy from the conservatives, money has been very easy to buy and a major shortage of housing has driven the economy upwards. It was more sleight of hand & sheer luck than pure economic genuis that we avoided a reccesion in 2001. Cheap credit is coming home to roost now though, how much did the Gov loan (either actual, proposed or hypothetical) Nothern Rock? £56bn- if a buyer can't be found then the Gov has to either nationalise the bank and actually stump up the cash, or devalue Sterling by the same amount loaned. That's a lot of wonga- 8 nuclear power stations, 100 hospitals and you could refit the army with the change. It's a staggering amount of money, all for a bank worth £500m at the most. Labour is as sleazy as the Tories ever were, alright they weren't caught shagging rentboys with an orange in their mouths, but does Cash for Honours ring any bells? Peter Mandelson? Dave 'I didn't know she was a minger' Blunkett? They are all the same, shagging, snorting and bribing their way around the circuit. Labour have brought in 3000 new laws, the majority of which were already covered- ie "It is illegal to detonate a nuclear device". I reckon that one might have already been covered by about 15 laws, I don't think we needed to waste more money ratifying that one, and there's 2999 to go... Labour have also hopped on the environmental band wagon and used it as a means of control and revenue- we can't fix the hole in the ozone with £50 notes can we. Labour- and the Lib Dems put 'Envy' in environment. If they genuinely gave a shit they would have proposed the new nuclear powerstations ten years ago, made all trains, taxis and buses electric, make solar pannels mandatory on all new build houses and stopped subsidising farmers to grow feck all and to grow crops or livestock and try to reduce our need for imports of food, energy and consumer goods. Perhaps they should have saved Rover and had them make ministerial and public sector cars? How many police cars here are built overseas for example? Interestingly Biofuel is now seen as not actually that green now the entire dust to dust lifecycle has been calculated- how many other green ideas are not as friendly as they were advertised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Good points Gazboy, it's a sorry, sorry state of affairs A mate of mine sent me this yesterday, and it just about sums it up for me. >>> Does anyone believe that New Labour ever existed, anymore ? Class envy is still the principle driving force behind every decision. We have had to endure the systematic distruction of all we hold dear over the past ten years and for what? So that Socialists can control our every move. We no longer have any decent schools and those that still try and provide an education are undergoing another attempt to destroy them. The NHS, which for thirty years has been bankrupt, has ceased to be a place where the primary function is care of the sick and is just a souce of employment for those unable to get a job doing anything else. The police force at the top is riddled with politically motivated activists that think the job is about making criminals part of society rather than catching them. This has meant that honest hard working coppers no longer have any incilination to do the right thing for fear of being seen as hostile to the community. You cannot speak about any section of society that causes incitement to violence and problems for fear of being thrown in jail. You can be locked up for weeks at a time without charge for no reason whatsoever. If you criticise unfetered immigration you are a racist. If you criticise the damage caused by EU integration you are a bigot. If you work in the public sector you get to retire early, mostly with a final salary pension. If you work in the private sector you have to flog your guts out for up to seven years longer with a money purchase pension. If you do have a private pension large amonuts of money that goes into it gets stolen by the Chancellor to pay for projects that noone cares about, largely benefitting the workshy. 1.5 million unemployed with 3 million on incapacity benefit, no longer means 4.5 million unemployed. Tax is so exhorbitent that most people can no longer afford to pay it without resorting to debt. If you are a rich foreigner (preferably one that donates to the Labour Party) you can do what you like. If you are a working class Brit , you cant do anything without someone either presenting you with a bill or spouting petty rules at you. The elctoral system is adjudged to be as corrupt as some third world republics due to gerrymandering and illegal practices in both the local and Scottish elections. Add the Human Rights' Act, The European Constitution, The Iraq war, Afghanistan, Kosovo, the dodgy dossier, the pointless ban on foxhunting, Death of Michael Kelly, Bernie Ecclestone, Peter Hain, Mandelson (Twice) ..... et al Can anyone tell me, with a straight face that Britain has not been damaged in a way that it will take decades to repair? All of you that can, do yourselves a big favour and leave Britain. I did and i will never return. Let them try and govern what's left when we have all gone and there is noone left to do the work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I just love the way they can all vote on their own pay increases.. wouldnt we all love to do that BTW this is off-topic and needs to be moved, mods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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