fastisnice Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Is that aimed at me or everyone? See my previous posts, I do believe in a kind of soul, and see this post from a previous (similar) thread. It's the word 'god' and the religion that I disagree with, being forced to adhere. I am a believer, but because I want to be, not because I'm forced or scared into it. I dont believe because im scared or because someone made me.I believe because i have personal experience/evidence: I have a little story which happened 13 years ago, my grand grand father(yes he died 105 yrs old!) was a "saint" man believing in God a lot more than any person i've ever met in my life, on his last few days he used to tell his family that he could see Jesus at various times of the day in the house. One night i had a dream, i saw him much younger standing next to me and he told me "Tell my relatives and my family that where im going i will be fine they dont need to worry about me anymore!". I woke up and got a call from Greece, he died that night! (i hadn't seen him or spoke to him for a whole year at the time) I know this doesn't mean anything to some people but to me means a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 PS There are many scientists who believe in God and by the way they still can't explain the very first moment how earth was created. And many many more that don't Each to their own. As for being offended, I'm not offended you believe and I'm sure you're not offended I DON'T believe, right? People who have had visions, that's nice for them for sure, but babies and children dying of Leukaemia (for eg) still sits uncomfortably for me within a "GOD EXISTS (context)...after all I had a vsision!" Thank you and good day to you all. I'm off for a drive! PS I wonder if this thread has run it's course? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I know about the crusades.. I said exactly the opposite (Nobody forces anyone to believe in nothing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymdee Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 ...keep in mind that God doesn't interfear with people, he is not Alladin to fulfill wishes!. Hence we are responsible for our own actions. Sorry if my views offend you, but if God doesn't interfere with people's lives then what's the point of believing in him?? Can't see it does any good. IMHO religion is responsible for 90% of the wars which have ever occured on this planet (my Gods better than your God etc), althouigh I admit that most of the time religion is just being used as an excuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I dont believe in God. Any God. In fact the only thing I find harder to believe than the existence of a God, is the millions of deaths, the millions of places of worship built, and the continual worldwide hatred, all due to those that do believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-K Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 What came first, the chicken or the egg? which is a classic. . your joking right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymdee Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I dont believe in God. Any God. In fact the only thing I find harder to believe than the existence of a God, is the millions of deaths, the millions of places of worship built, and the continual worldwide hatred, all due to those that do believe. Agree with that Ewen. Hard to fathom it out isn't it?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 Sorry if my views offend you, but if God doesn't interfere with people's lives then what's the point of believing in him?? Can't see it does any good. IMHO religion is responsible for 90% of the wars which have ever occured on this planet (my Gods better than your God etc), althouigh I admit that most of the time religion is just being used as an excuse I'd also point out that religion is causing a heated discussion on this forum! I agree with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-K Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I read as much as i could of this thread,some of it was total tosh,some of it pretty good - but to be honest a lot of the thoughts and beliefs posted by people in this thread realy are old school junior science, If you want to get into how earth and our universe was created you have to look into Quantum Mechanics, and you have to delve into quantum theories to understand the realism or unrealsim of any god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BASHTHEBISHOP Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I dont beleive in a god but i do beleive that there needs to be some way of teaching morals especially to youngsters. I think the fact alot dont beleive in any, results in a poor culture seen alot more in todays society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 think about how many, ministers over the years have used their position to exploit youngsters, most of them if not gay have been ruining young people with their sick activities , and each week the parents unknowingly send the kids to church . one word hypocrites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I'm afraid that there is one fact that always totally precludes me from ever being religious, and that is religion has caused more wars than any other reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 2nd that! Yes....and I am an engineer too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I dont beleive in a god but i do beleive that there needs to be some way of teaching morals especially to youngsters. I think the fact alot dont beleive in any, results in a poor culture seen alot more in todays society. how do you work that out? what morals did people have during the crusades? there was more wars back then caused by religion then there is now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I'm afraid that there is one fact that always totally precludes me from ever being religious, and that is religion has caused more wars than any other reason. I have seen this written several times but is that true? Can you show me where this "fact" is displayed? I am thinking that the last few major wars I know of - WW1, WW2, Vietnam had nothing to do with religion. So are you thinking back to the Crusades etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 One thing i disagree with totally is religion. I detest all religion's because of the conflict it causes in modern society. Every war i have ever known or have heard of has been caused by a conflict of religious beliefs. There are a few other reasons other than the war's but as i said, i dont like to go into it. Steps on too many toes Dont think its a problem with any of the 3 major monolithic religions....hinduism or Bhuddism (in their original form)...none of these promote violence against people of other faiths. The responsibility lies with the followers of each of these religions to try and better understand what it is that they actually believe in rather than being suckered into the political agenda's or a few corrupt tossers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 and to answer the god thing i used to belive untill i started to read more into the bible and other texts and found it all to be confusing in the way its done, too many things dont make sense thats one of the major issues with the Bible, regardless of which one you refer too. Why not read a revelation that has not been tampered with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I don't. Think about what you are saying. A man in the sky that looks down on us? Please. Seriously though, everyone to their own. MAN IN THE SKY....who ever said that God was a MAN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 i am god!! with a small g...perhaps Certainly shouldnt be misleaded with The Almighty GOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 MAN IN THE SKY....who ever said that God was a MAN? And God created man in his own image. Genesis 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I'm so glad I didn't get at all involved in this thread after the last one. Oh ermm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 thats one of the major issues with the Bible, regardless of which one you refer too. Why not read a revelation that has not been tampered with? they have all been tampered with, thats why they dont make sense and its mainly the church that uses the bible and peoples faith to suit the churches need and take money from the believers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I can only go by the fact that there are 3 physical dimensions that we can see and feel, and we know that time exists so it's reasonable to theorise that the 4th dimension is time, like we're 'pulled along' by time. So any more higher dimensions could be really weird things like infinity and things we can't even come up with ideas for!! so do you agree that we are limited by our understanding.....and we simply cannot discount the existence of something that "we" do not understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 And God created man in his own image. Genesis 27 true God also created man and woman as equals yet man was created first and woman was created from a part of man what b***ox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 i see the bible as a big book of chinese whispers, a chinese whisper can be different after its past by 10 people, so how much of the bible would be accurate after 2000 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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