Do you beleive in God?

[Ian R]

 

Fantastic

[Scott]

sorry but chicken never came from fish, all fish never made it to land

 

the answer to which came first chicken or egg is both

evolution changes certain things in the DNA of both egg and chicken to suit its environment over the years

 

but the chicken and all birds evolved from dinosaurs

the first bird to be created which was the first dinosaur to have feathers was the

Archaeopteryx lithographica, which was around in the jurassic period aprrox 150 million years ago

 

all birds have the same traits of dinosaurs with two legs

the way they use their tails to balance, the fact that their hips are nearly identical and dinosaurs was only missing one bone to grow wings which birds have

 

since the extinction of dinosaurs aprrox 65 million years ago you can see in many creatures today a resemblance to the dinosaurs like lizards, the komodo dragon and birds.

 

iv been studying Paeleontology since i was 7 and being worked in a dinosaur museum for 6 years and then i joined the army

bit of difference i know

 

Hmm, you quoted me saying i was wrong. In what i said i used quotes for "fish" to simplify my explanation. I didn't mean all the things in the sea came to land i simply meant ALL life came from the sea which would of course include "chickens". I then went on to explain how its thought that chickens weren't chickens until man got a hold of them. Oh, and its thought that all life in the sea reproduced similar to how fish reproduce today without giving birth to "live" young. The eggs that were produced by the animals on land at first would have been eggs. AFAIK birds have always lived in tree's, the eggs would have evolved to harden in case they fell i guess.

 

I love the theory's of evolution. I especially love the one where aliens came to earth and kicked off the single cell to multi cell revolution that created all life and that they did so in their own image. Most alien descriptions are baldy big heads, with big eyes, small mouths and almost no muscle mass. We started off extremely hairy, with a very small brain and we were also very burly at one time or another (some still are ) but the more we evolve the less hair we have, the larger our brain's will be which will eventually mean we need a larger head and of course we will rely on technology (or psychokinesis possibly) for all manual stuff so we won't use our muscles.

 

Wish i could get to see that show again. Can't even remember what it was on.

 

Scott =op

[Al Massey]

Hmm, you quoted me saying i was wrong. In what i said i used quotes for "fish" to simplify my explanation. I didn't mean all the things in the sea came to land i simply meant ALL life came from the sea which would of course include "chickens".Scott =op

 

 

ok then but life didnt come from the sea, as we know from evolution that bacteria and single celled organisms grows and evolve into many things over the millions of years and that when life started on earth it couldnt of started in the sea as there had to be life on the land

the land was one big supercontinent know as pangea

and there was grass and trees and plants which started before sea creatures probably existed and life had to be on the land, and then when the land split thats when evolution started to change things again

[Class One]

Jesus christ.. And this is a supra car forum right?

 

 

Well it was. But judging by your threads and posts it's turning into a "look at me" forum.

 

Thats right. But we... on a supra forum.. Do we really need to bother about thinking and talking about it, or shouldnt we just leave that up to the professional physicists to figure it out, and then just translate it into language and concepts we can understand?

 

Then why start the discussion?

 

 

 

 

 

friendly word,i dont like joining in the "pack" but seriously carl mate, i do think you have some issues you need to be sorting out. if JB gets wind of the recent antics i dont think your feet will touch the floor

 

ps i found out who JB was the hard-ish way

 

It doesn't need the intervention of JB to get the message across. But Carl, for once, take on board what Blackie suggests.

[Carl_S]

Well it was. But judging by your threads and posts it's turning into a "look at me" forum.

 

 

 

Then why start the discussion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It doesn't need the intervention of JB to get the message across. But Carl, for once, take on board what Blackie suggests.

 

Yeah it was, I'm going to be on my best behaviour now.

 

As for the talk about God, Physics etc, it has taken this discussion for me to now formulate that conclusion: leave it to the experts and wait for the news on the BBC.

 

Cheers guys. And thanks Blackie for the heads up!

[foodfreak]

I don't believe in God or am in any way religeous but, I have a little tale for you

 

about 20 years ago my Mum & Dad were visiting my great aunt with my son (who was about 5 years old then)

Now my son had never been within 80 miles of the area they were visiting but as they were slowly winding their way down a country lane, He suddenly jumped up very excitedly & said 'I know where we are!'.

My dad said you can't know because youv'e never been here before. Peter got a bit upset because they didn't believe him, so my dad pulled over & stopped. Peter said ' if you go around the bend & down the lane, there is a house & a church. I used to live in the house'.

So off they go, and my Dad drives around a long bend & down the lane,and sure enough, there's a house and a church. Now these could not have been seen from where Peter had his first' moment', so my dad asked him how could he have known about them. Peter apparently beemed up at them,' It's simple..... I used to live in that house when I was a man'

Spooky or what.......My Dad was completely amazed.

 

So belief in God no........but something else, you never know

[Scott]

ok then but life didnt come from the sea, as we know from evolution that bacteria and single celled organisms grows and evolve into many things over the millions of years and that when life started on earth it couldnt of started in the sea as there had to be life on the land

the land was one big supercontinent know as pangea

and there was grass and trees and plants which started before sea creatures probably existed and life had to be on the land, and then when the land split thats when evolution started to change things again

 

Ok but we are really splitting hairs now. Most lifeforms came from the sea, is that better? Life such as plantlife, insects etc were already on the land. Actual creatures, other than insects, came from the sea. They evolved from the sea onto the land.

 

Of course, thats according to tv shows i've watched and books that i have read. I haven't studied the subject in-depth. I'm mearly saying that as far as i am aware, all creatures evolved from the sea other than larvae creating maggots, flies etc. Plantlife and bacteria all started independently on land.

 

Scott =op

[R Black]

I don't believe in God or am in any way religeous but, I have a little tale for you

 

about 20 years ago my Mum & Dad were visiting my great aunt with my son (who was about 5 years old then)

Now my son had never been within 80 miles of the area they were visiting but as they were slowly winding their way down a country lane, He suddenly jumped up very excitedly & said 'I know where we are!'.

My dad said you can't know because youv'e never been here before. Peter got a bit upset because they didn't believe him, so my dad pulled over & stopped. Peter said ' if you go around the bend & down the lane, there is a house & a church. I used to live in the house'.

So off they go, and my Dad drives around a long bend & down the lane,and sure enough, there's a house and a church. Now these could not have been seen from where Peter had his first' moment', so my dad asked him how could he have known about them. Peter apparently beemed up at them,' It's simple..... I used to live in that house when I was a man'

Spooky or what.......My Dad was completely amazed.

 

So belief in God no........but something else, you never know

 

Hell yeah there's a lot of unexplainable stuff, maybe we do reincarnate, maybe your son glimpsed an alternate universe in a dream & retained the memory or something, but i dont believe in any religion, its just there for one confident inself individual to control another.

[Guest CoolsBlue]

ever heard of that indian boy, who was about 7 saying how he knew where his wife lived and kids, and gold was stored, had a had a mark on his head, the man he used to be apparently has shot in the head and had the same family!!!

[Guest CoolsBlue]

http://books.google.com/books?id=vIDES6VWl1MC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=indian+jasbir+reincarnation&source=web&ots=kzZ7Z1DtnE&sig=sYpNQeUKncy38W_jIZcKY41pohk#PPA48,M1

[jaymdee]

In my opinion, if God does exist, then he's a twisted malevolent motherfu**er for all the shit in the world.

 

Definately easy to see it's something our ill-educated forefathers would believe in (rain + sun = crops growing etc) but no need for intelligent, sane people in the twenty first century to believe in such nonesense

 

A total load of bollox

[Guest CoolsBlue]

In my opinion, if God does exist, then he's a twisted malevolent motherfu**er for all the shit in the world.

 

Definately easy to see it's something our ill-educated forefathers would believe in (rain + sun = crops growing etc) but no need for intelligent, sane people in the twenty first century to believe in such nonesense

 

A total load of bollox

 

Well said man!

[cossack]

i do believe, think of me what you want.

[tbourner]

i do believe......

 

In what? The bible? God/Jesus etc.? Mohammed/allah? Santa?

[fastisnice]

I do believe in God and this kind of opinion is very disturbing and offending for people who actually believe in God, keep it for yourself. Nobody forces anyone to believe in anything!!.

It has come to a point that is "cool" not to believe in God and to be ashamed to admit it openly!!!!. i think this is a sad situation in this country. So many people are immoral and all they care is money and personal welfare by screwing other people's lives.This society is sick, keep in mind that God doesn't interfear with people, he is not Alladin to fulfill wishes!.

Hence we are responsible for our own actions. We will all be judged one day.

If all these f*****g leaders such as Blair & Bush would believe in God they would have some morals and they wouldn't make money out of people's misery going to all these wars:(

 

PS There are many scientists who believe in God and by the way they still can't explain the very first moment how earth was created.

 

 

 

In my opinion, if God does exist, then he's a twisted malevolent motherfu**er for all the shit in the world.

 

Definately easy to see it's something our ill-educated forefathers would believe in (rain + sun = crops growing etc) but no need for intelligent, sane people in the twenty first century to believe in such nonesense

 

A total load of bollox

[tbourner]

Why is it any more offensive than you saying that I'm going to be 'judged' one day, and because I don't praise the lord I'll probably end up in hell!!

[RedM]

I do believe in God and this kind of opinion is very disturbing and offending for people who actually believe in God, keep it for yourself. Nobody forces anyone to believe in anything!!.

 

Let's start at the Crusades and move forwards shall we?

[fastisnice]

I find swearing God extremely offensive + I never said that if you dont believe you are a f****g idiot, whether you want or dont want to praise the Lord because you might be concerned ending up in hell....is your life and your choice!. At the end of the day since you don't believe in him and you don't believe you have a soul so when you die your soul dies with your body(same happens with animals) you shouldn't be offended by me saying "you will be judged"

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I didn't use any foul language for atheists. I didnt say because you are an atheist you are an idiot or because you believe that human beings have been created by coincidence.

 

Way i see things is that i know he exists and i got nothing to lose in my life by believing in God.

[fastisnice]

Let's start at the Crusades and move forwards shall we?

 

 

How is this relevant?

[Max Headroom]

In an address by Carl Sagan on 11th May 1996 about the voyager space probe taking a picture of Earth.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot

 

"Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

 

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

 

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

 

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known"

 

 

Also in your religions, the bible you read may not be the same as the person next to you. Man decided what you were going to read, not God. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_the_Bible.

 

What if there is nothing after this, what if we die there is nothing more. Why hold onto that belief that there is something better in the afterlife than making this life better

[RedM]

How is this relevant?

 

Why don't you research it for yourself?

[tbourner]

At the end of the day since you don't believe in him and you don't believe you have a soul so when you die your soul dies with your body(same happens with animals) you shouldn't be offended by me saying "you will be judged"

 

Is that aimed at me or everyone?

See my previous posts, I do believe in a kind of soul, and see this post from a previous (similar) thread. It's the word 'god' and the religion that I disagree with, being forced to adhere. I am a believer, but because I want to be, not because I'm forced or scared into it.

[tbourner]

What if there is nothing after this, what if we die there is nothing more. Why hold onto that belief that there is something better in the afterlife than making this life better

 

Another of my previous posts:

here.

[Max Headroom]

Another of my previous posts:

here.

 

I'm with you on that one, eloquently put

[fastisnice]

Why don't you research it for yourself?

 

I know about the crusades.. I said exactly the opposite (Nobody forces anyone to believe in nothing).