Carl_S Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 Well it's all pretty meaningless as it's so hypothetical. All the multi-dimensional (10 or 11, AFAIrecall) suggestions like superstring theory and M-theory have zero grounding in observed experiments. In essence, there's no more proof that string theory is true than if God exists!!! Saw this program on TV the other day about this psyhic who was asked to guess places from his dreams and then he would be taken there the next day. He was tested by a scientist. I felt the scientist test were unfair. I dont think Paranomal and conventional science will ever combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 I can only go by the fact that there are 3 physical dimensions that we can see and feel, and we know that time exists so it's reasonable to theorise that the 4th dimension is time, like we're 'pulled along' by time. So any more higher dimensions could be really weird things like infinity and things we can't even come up with ideas for!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Saw this program on TV the other day about this psyhic who was asked to guess places from his dreams and then he would be taken there the next day. He was tested by a scientist. I felt the scientist test were unfair. I dont think Paranomal and conventional science will ever combine. The test may have been unfair, but let's have it right- Psychics are idiots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 I can only go by the fact that there are 3 physical dimensions that we can see and feel, and we know that time exists so it's reasonable to theorise that the 4th dimension is time, like we're 'pulled along' by time. So any more higher dimensions could be really weird things like infinity and things we can't even come up with ideas for!! Im not a scientist or a mathmatician. But how can time be said to be a fourth dimension because its nothing like the previous three (length depth height right?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Im not a scientist or a mathmatician. But how can time be said to be a fourth dimension because its nothing like the previous three (length depth height right?) Temporal position, it is a measurement of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Why do dimensions have to be similar to X, Y and Z? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanchan Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 How? I'm sure we'd only be measuring this particular cycle, there's no way we could possibly gather any information on the previous cycles before 'this' big bang!! I believe it was this Big Bang "cycle" only. Using red shift theories and the fact that we are seeing most of the universe today as it actually existed millions/billions of years ago, they deduced that it was expanding slower millions and millions of years ago than it is today. If that makes sense? Which mostly put pay to the "cyclic" universe theory of big bang followed by big crunch and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 The test may have been unfair, but let's have it right- Psychics are idiots! But is there absolutely nothing to it? The way I think now is that There is something out there, but theres a lot a fraudy stuff with psychics. Push came to shove, I'd say it was wishful thinking. Ghosts, UFO, the lot. But I'm prepared to look into it. And that very fact, makes me more susceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 Temporal position, it is a measurement of time. yeah, am aware bro, but. Dimensions... 1 2 3 4 should be Spacial Dimension 1 2 3 and Temporal 1 no? thats my logic, why mix them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Both are interesting fields, but the problem in modern times seems to be that so many paranormal scientists, physicists and theologists are all trying to make a name for themselves that the theories being produced and published are so far beyond anything that we could possibly experiment and validate that none of it is really relevant. Loads of people have come up with theories to "guess" at how physics, the universe, God, ghosts, etc. exist and work. In the distant future, some of these might be proven correct, but for now, it's just guesswork. That's why they're called "theories"! I mean, they still can't even explain how light works! Personally I like more immediate feedback. The "Exceptionally Simple Theory About Everything" that some surfer/physicist came up with in November is more up my street, 'cos it's liable to be strengthend or even disproved when the CERN Hadron Collider comes on line later this year (provided they don't create a black hole and destroy everything, of course!). I also like the idea of a unification theory anyway. If everything is built up of the same tiny little sub-atomic particles, why shouldn't a single theory explain how everything works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 But is there absolutely nothing to it? The way I think now is that There is something out there, but theres a lot a fraudy stuff with psychics. Push came to shove, I'd say it was wishful thinking. Ghosts, UFO, the lot. But I'm prepared to look into it. And that very fact, makes me more susceptable. Nope there's nothing to it! They're idiots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Well it's all pretty meaningless as it's so hypothetical. All the multi-dimensional (10 or 11, AFAIrecall) suggestions like superstring theory and M-theory have zero grounding in observed experiments. In essence, there's no more proof that string theory is true than if God exists!!! Well we may know more later this year, the LHC goes live and will be looking for proof of the Higgs Boson (the "God Particle") which would take us closer to a Grand Theory of Everything The answer to which we obviously already know...42. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 I believe it was this Big Bang "cycle" only. Using red shift theories and the fact that we are seeing most of the universe today as it actually existed millions/billions of years ago, they deduced that it was expanding slower millions and millions of years ago than it is today. If that makes sense? Which mostly put pay to the "cyclic" universe theory of big bang followed by big crunch and so on. We could still be in the first 0.0000001% of the explosion, in which the matter is still increasing in speed, doesn't mean it won't eventually slow down and 'crunch'. But is there absolutely nothing to it? The way I think now is that There is something out there, but theres a lot a fraudy stuff with psychics. My theory of ghosts goes along the lines that our 'souls' (not in the religious sense though) are actually some higher dimensional energy that is linked to us, and when people 'see' ghosts they are actually linking their energy with the now departed energy of a dead person, the only way we can comprehend what our energy is seeing is by putting the residual image of the dead person into our heads. It's plausible that these energies can be manipulated somehow whilst we are still alive, to be able to use the 'abilities' of the higher dimensional energy we have with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 Both are interesting fields, but the problem in modern times seems to be that so many paranormal scientists, physicists and theologists are all trying to make a name for themselves that the theories being produced and published are so far beyond anything that we could possibly experiment and validate that none of it is really relevant. Loads of people have come up with theories to "guess" at how physics, the universe, God, ghosts, etc. exist and work. In the distant future, some of these might be proven correct, but for now, it's just guesswork. That's why they're called "theories"! I mean, they still can't even explain how light works! Personally I like more immediate feedback. The "Exceptionally Simple Theory About Everything" that some surfer/physicist came up with in November is more up my street, 'cos it's liable to be strengthend or even disproved when the CERN Hadron Collider comes on line later this year (provided they don't create a black hole and destroy everything, of course!). I also like the idea of a unification theory anyway. If everything is built up of the same tiny little sub-atomic particles, why shouldn't a single theory explain how everything works? the word theory, or more correctly - hypothesis, is based on somthing that can be comprehended by the human mind. Maybe natural, the universive and everything, was *meant* to be comprehended by the human mine. Maybe it just is. After all, we are little creatures in a big pond, why should we waste time and money thinking we can understand it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 Nope there's nothing to it! They're idiots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanchan Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 the word theory, or more correctly - hypothesis, is based on somthing that can be comprehended by the human mind. Maybe natural, the universive and everything, was *meant* to be comprehended by the human mine. Maybe it just is. After all, we are little creatures in a big pond, why should we waste time and money thinking we can understand it all? Carl - genuine question. How old are you? In some threads you have posted some utter tosh, but then you come out with pretty intellectual posts like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Carl - genuine question. How old are you? In some threads you have posted some utter tosh, but then you come out with pretty intellectual posts like that. I know of 3 year old kids who can copy and paste, don't get too excited just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 We could still be in the first 0.0000001% of the explosion, in which the matter is still increasing in speed, doesn't mean it won't eventually slow down and 'crunch'. My theory of ghosts goes along the lines that our 'souls' (not in the religious sense though) are actually some higher dimensional energy that is linked to us, and when people 'see' ghosts they are actually linking their energy with the now departed energy of a dead person, the only way we can comprehend what our energy is seeing is by putting the residual image of the dead person into our heads. It's plausible that these energies can be manipulated somehow whilst we are still alive, to be able to use the 'abilities' of the higher dimensional energy we have with us. Jesus christ.. And this is a supra car forum right? At the moment becuase I'm so sceptical, my interpretation of ghosts is this: its what you want to see, becuase you are going through a hard time, and it is imagined.. all in the mind. Same with Extra Terrestrials visiting earth and flying around etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 the word theory, or more correctly - hypothesis, is based on somthing that can be comprehended by the human mind. Maybe natural, the universive and everything, was *meant* to be comprehended by the human mine. Maybe it just is. After all, we are little creatures in a big pond, why should we waste time and money thinking we can understand it all? Because on the way to "understanding it all", we might actually make life better and maybe even discover a way to haul our asses out of this limited-lifespan solar system and give us more time to work out the rest of it! If people hadn't bothered trying to understand any of it, a lot of the things that you rely upon today wouldn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kslb Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 The European Union and the Supra-Religion (Paperback) by Robert R. Congdon (Author) Read this I am sure it will bore the hell out of you with religious crap but at least it has the word Supra in the title so you could be excused in thinking it is interesting or remotely factual. Get it at Amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 Carl - genuine question. How old are you? In some threads you have posted some utter tosh, but then you come out with pretty intellectual posts like that. I'm older than 25 but younger than 35, I hide my intelligence most of the time, becuase I'm uncomfortable about it. Sad I know, but I felt it did me no favors. Honest reply mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Carl - genuine question. How old are you? In some threads you have posted some utter tosh, but then you come out with pretty intellectual posts like that. Carl for President! I think I've crossed the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 Because on the way to "understanding it all", we might actually make life better and maybe even discover a way to haul our asses out of this limited-lifespan solar system and give us more time to work out the rest of it! If people hadn't bothered trying to understand any of it, a lot of the things that you rely upon today wouldn't exist. Thats right. But we... on a supra forum.. Do we really need to bother about thinking and talking about it, or shouldnt we just leave that up to the professional physicists to figure it out, and then just translate it into language and concepts we can understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 Carl for President! I think I've crossed the line hahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanchan Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 I know of 3 year old kids who can copy and paste, don't get too excited just yet. I now have marzipan all over my laptop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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