evinX Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I believe in a god, but not as a man or a being, but god as a force, the brain is a powerful muscle, just for example, preying isnt asking god for something and he will grant you it, you prey to yourself to prepare your mind for the day ahead, to keep yourself strong and make things happen yourself. Hope that makes sence...i dont follow a religion but yes i do believe in a god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I believe in a god, but not as a man or a being, but god as a force, the brain is a powerful muscle, just for example, preying isnt asking god for something and he will grant you it, you prey to yourself to prepare your mind for the day ahead, to keep yourself strong and make things happen yourself. Hope that makes sence...i dont follow a religion but yes i do believe in a god. I think you mean pray - unless you're talking about catholic priests... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 No. Im firmly in the science camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evinX Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I think you mean pray - unless you're talking about catholic priests... Ah sorry, spelling mistake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Could science explain why we are the only "truly" intellient species? I am stuck at this one. If all it takes is a few cells to form together, why can't elephants talk (more than one language)? can you speak more then one language?how do you know they done speak lion?, i bet humans think there intelagent but im sure ants and lions think there intelagent too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evinX Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 can you speak more then one language?how do you know they done speak lion?, i bet humans think there intelagent but im sure ants and lions think there intelagent too Exactly, i bet they can understand other animals, and if they dont its probably becuase they cant make cars, boats, planes to go around the world like humans did/do and learn...cells formed making brains, muscles, etc etc and animals including us used ours in different ways to suit our bodys and enviroments...humans arnt at the top of the food chain but amongst all animals we had the brains and bodys to become dominant in this world...and so on just becuase were dominant dosent make us the most powerful animals and mamals etc....To complex but its all there...im sure someone will come along with another twist to it all:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 can you speak more then one language?how do you know they done speak lion?, i bet humans think there intelagent but im sure ants and lions think there intelagent too I can speak a few languages yes & not talking animal ones here I am talking in the sense we can make a lot of different combinations of sounds to interact, we can even mimick sounds of other animals. Why are we the only species which has this level of intelligence? Although this does not mean to label animals stupid as they are far from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 One of the main things that separate us from other "intelligent" beings is that we are aware of our own mortality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 One of the main things that separate us from other "intelligent" beings is that we are aware of our own mortality. i would go with only lemmings dont know there own mortality lol. im very sure when the antilope and such animals have a lion chewing on the leg they know there mortality alright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 ...it is healthy to explore other faiths, plus makes you more knowledgeable. In principle I would agree with this. But interestingly, as it was regarding Buddhism (which I know very little about) you got me thinking; Is Buddhism a 'Faith' or simply a way of life? And yes, I'm not the first to think about this. So I googled some relevant stuff. It's a nice read if you have a few moments...http://www.shindharmanet.com/writings/meaning.htm I'm still a non believer btw and a bit of a thickie when it comes to science, which I'm more drawn too. However, I'm less judgemental than I used to be. I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Why are we the only species which has this level of intelligence? Ancient astronaut theory. http://www.eridu.co.uk/Author/human_origins/ancient_astronauts.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsween Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 can you speak more then one language?how do you know they done speak lion?, i bet humans think there intelagent but im sure ants and lions think there intelagent too Cue ScottM....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 This is all very interesting, but it falls somewhat short in explaining the existence of Ben Stiller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Cue ScottM....... Changed it for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsween Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Changed it for you Why? It was always that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Why? It was always that Last edited by monsween; Today at 19:25. Says otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsween Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Says otherwise Was just to put some capital letters in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Yes. Ah, well i don't I beleive there's an energy behind things. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Ah, well i don't I beleive there's an energy behind things. . It's pretty obvious when you factor in infinity. There's either an infinite number of universes (oxymoron) and an infinite number of big bangs, or there's an infinite cycle of iterations of this universe. Either way we exist simply because this iteration of the universe happens to have fluked the correct situation to support life and all the other things we have around us. It's far from perfect anyway, when you study how much destruction there is out there in space, the fact we're all heading towards a cold dark future where all heat and light has equalised over the expanse so nothing of worth remains - why would a supreme power create something with that result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 i would go with only lemmings dont know there own mortality lol. im very sure when the antilope and such animals have a lion chewing on the leg they know there mortality alright No, they have an instinct to survive and avoid the pain of being eaten, but they have no concept of the "self" and thus no concept that a lion attack will end in their death. They run, hop and jump through pure evolutionary instinct, not to preserve their own identity. The mirror test shows it best, iirc, can an animal truly recognise itself in a mirror. I'm not sure if even dolphins do. I used to be an atheist but I've come more and more to believe in a "god", a creator, and its all because of Professor Richard Dawkins. Because when I look at something as complex, and as beautiful, as Professor Richard Dawkins, I think, that can't have happened by chance. The above is the horribly misquoted property of Mr Stewart Lee, off the telly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 no all rubbish.. made up. IF there was a real god there would be only one religion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Ancient astronaut theory. http://www.eridu.co.uk/Author/human_origins/ancient_astronauts.html According to that we are Alien's, though it seems this is a theory from a few book writers. The rest of the article went into one with him having issues with another author & how his gonna sue him! (Typical statesmen) I'd have to look into this more but do they have facts with this theory? Was this thought of recently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Can't believe this old chestnut is back. Noone can say for sure if god does/doesn't exist, that is an absolute catagorical fact. I'll argue that with aetheists through religious nuts till the sun doesn't shine (not implying you are all religious nuts, just showing the range ). For me it makes sense that there isn't a god and that religion came about through people needing "more" to life and through a complete misunderstanding of death and our surroundings. The trouble is that power hungry groups and organisations (in most cases) took advantage of that situation and started touting their 'brand' as the one and only leading to, shall we say, disagreements over the years? As we are evolving, learning and exploring our little corner of the universe, and as we learn more and more about our own physical presence, it becomes more apparent to most that this is in fact the case (hence the dwindling numbers of proper religious followers). At the very least there is a lot more doubt in the existence of god, even from people with faith. The countries where Religion is deeply seeded within their day to day lives are those which 'need' it the most (poverty stricken, war torn, 3rd world etc etc). We are basically relying on religion less and less, it is no longer a necessary part of our existence. Thinking any other way is just taking a massive punt IMO, hence why a lot of people in this thread see believing in god as daft. I don't think it's daft, I think it's smart to hold onto hope (have faith) that there is life after death and that there is a heaven. Better to be optimistic than pessimistic eh? I really despise organised religion though, not from the followers perspective but the money grabbing, power hungry, opportunistic groups that 'lead' them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I think it's smart to hold onto hope (have faith) that there is life after death and that there is a heaven.. life after death. intresting in the laws of science energy does never disapear it just changes its form,but still remains the same amount of energy but in various forms, say a match has the stored energy to become light,heat,carbon dioxide ect, there are alot of things that we cant see but still have a force ie gravity is one. it is also concevable that there is a life after death even in the science world being that the energy of the human body could also turn into other energy yes a rotting body is one but there could be the energy of the mind(soul) that changes its state into a spirit (life after death). i only say this because of that i believe is facts and science and have done a sayonce in a field with a few friends trying some stuff out my friends sistor was into, i went in that field 95% sure that there was no spirits but after what happend come out a good 75% sure there could be something in it but had to find out how this could be and come up with what may explain it, but it could have been a coincedence but very highly unlikely is all i can say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 life after death. intresting in the laws of science energy does never disapear it just changes its form,but still remains the same amount of energy but in various forms, say a match has the stored energy to become light,heat,carbon dioxide ect, there are alot of things that we cant see but still have a force ie gravity is one. it is also concevable that there is a life after death even in the science world being that the energy of the human body could also turn into other energy yes a rotting body is one but there could be the energy of the mind(soul) that changes its state into a spirit (life after death). i only say this because of that i believe is facts and science and have done a sayonce in a field with a few friends trying some stuff out my friends sistor was into, i went in that field 95% sure that there was no spirits but after what happend come out a good 75% sure there could be something in it but had to find out how this could be and come up with what may explain it, but it could have been a coincedence but very highly unlikely is all i can say You're onto a whole different ballgame now, i firmly believe that ghosts, spirits, souls, demons, fairies, leprechauns, etc don't exist. There are many things in life that can't be explained but to blame spirits, god, the devil, Hugh Jackman, etc for them is just our way of making sense of them. It's in our nature not to leave things without an answer, for most they cling to god, spirits, ghosts, the devil etc as they can be used to answer infinite possibilities, scenarios and situations where an answer would often be difficult to find. When you woke up on christmas morning and there were presents, it was Santa that brought them, for example. Until you KNOW the truth you are happy to believe whatever you want to. You will even fill in details to your memory, such as hearing Santa land on your roof, hearing bells, hearing the rain deer, etc, etc, etc. At the time Santa is the easy answer and makes sense, once you grow up you learn the ever so boring and non-magical truth. Everything in your belief system is based on faith, as you get older you lose that faith when you start to make sense of things. The only faith that remains is in the things you can't make sense of or can't let go of. Some feel the need to use fictitious beings/things whereas some look to science and probability. Ask a religious christian about anything unexplained and they will tell you god, the devil, spirits, angels or demons did it. Same goes for any religion, it's just the names that change. The trouble is that as we advance scientifically we are answering the questions where the above was the only answer for some. Years ago the world was flat, we were burning people as witches and anyone who did anything of a scientific nature was a wizard (including doctors of medicine). These people had the power from god or the devil depending on how the crowd reacted but now that these things can be explained in a rational way they are now disregarded in religious teachings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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