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You asked if Scooter disagreed with the statement that the Quran mentions the Earth being round (ie: He believes that there is NO mention of a round Earth in the Quran). How exactly would somebody PROVE that a book DOES NOT contain a particular sentence?

 

I am not saying the good book does or doesn't state the earth is round long before it was proven by scientific means...........i don't know what is in the book in question.

However the convention guy and Imi appear to be convinced of this and of the recent rotation of the sun on its own axis.

 

My point is without science coming up with the fact the sun rotates on its own axis would this guy be saying its in the Quran and that "yeah we knew that already"?

 

If so why is it not stating other new revelations before they occur? This would be a proactive and not reactive approach and would i think guarantee a much greater takeup of followers than these convention types.

 

If the presence of such evidence in the Quran is so vague as to not be understood until a scientific revelation has occurred is it really evidence?

 

here's an example..................i mean seriously i cannot believe that someone studying "the presence of interstella matter" didn't read this section of the Quran and have a eureka moment.

 

(The following quote was taken from here)

 

"THE PRESENCE OF INTERSTELLAR MATTER

Space outside organized astronomical systems was earlier assumed to be a vacuum. Astrophysicists later discovered the presence of bridges of matter in this interstellar space.These bridges of matter are called plasma, and consist of completely ionized gas containing equal number of free electrons and positive ions.Plasma is sometimes called the fourth state of matter ( besides the three known states viz. solid, liquid and gas).The QUR'AN mentions the presence of this interstellar material in the following verse:

 

"HE WHO created the heavens And the earth and all That is between." [AL-QUR'AN 25:59]

 

It would be ridiculous, for anybody to even suggest that the presence of interstellar galactic material was known 1400 years ago."

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Perhaps I should look for a mention of the Supra in the Quran too........and just because it is not mentioned I dont believe that it is the word of the Almighty.....or discount it as being rubbish :blink:

 

Guys....some of your points are simply made to antagonise and be argumentative for the sake of being so.

 

Enjoy....

 

i don't know what is in the book in question.

However the convention guy and Imi appear to be convinced of this and of the recent rotation of the sun on its own axis.

 

you basically sum it up here

 

have you read the reference? I suggest you read it and make your own mind up.

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Once again.....

 

Not only does he prove with references that the Quran says that the Earth is round, he also proves with references that the sun rotates on its own axis....something that science only discovered recently..

 

ok so even if the book was right all those years ago about the earth being round,

does that mean god told them or the rest has to be right?

 

 

they prob wasnt the first to know as many civilisations knew the world wasnt flat and that was by astronamy and that was many years before christ

 

and what do you mean recently?

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And looking at the way it makes some of you lot argue, I'm flippin' glad too. ;)

 

Tell me about it....:blink:

 

Entertaining though...they are so adamant to TRY and pick holes without any interest in the subject whatsoever (even admitting that they have no clue whats in the book in question)

 

No point having this discussion on here is there.....well, those that are interested, have the links and therefore have access to the info should they choose to look into it.

 

I shall ponder whether to invest in a single turbo or not..... :)

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Tell me about it....:blink:

 

Entertaining though...they are so adamant to TRY and pick holes without any interest in the subject whatsoever (even admitting that they have no clue whats in the book in question)

LOL - What's with the THEY Imi? You're as bad as the rest of 'em. :D
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you basically sum it up here

 

have you read the reference? I suggest you read it and make your own mind up.

 

Do i really need to read the whole book when someone helpfully has posted the references on that site i put a link too. As its from "RiseforIslam.com" and the post started by Imran i'm pretty certain the views stated are not baised towards a non believers view and i can therefore safely take from this post that the quotes posted are the most pertinent for backing up the claims?

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Thorin....love that kitten! :)

 

 

But does it contradict the existance of god?

 

 

Well yes, it probably would bring in to question all our Earthly religious beliefs, if we could hook up with Aliens and ask their opinions on the formation of the Universe.

 

Imi dear fella, I'll ask you again. In your opinion what are the benefits of having a religious belief over the benefits of a non religious belief?

 

What does it mean to you, in your own words, from the heart...Go! ;)

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I do. In the past- up to the age of 18 I wasn't really sure of religion. I saw it as a form of control and I hardly felt compelled to follow a religion my parents barely practised.

 

But employing what I believe is logic, and continually critically assessing my faith and the world around me, I strongly believe there is a God.

 

I understand the majority of people's sentiments here if they don't believe but the sense of arrogance emanating from some and their atheist views especially considering the fact that they haven't even made the effort to seek knowledge (a compulsory duty on every muslim called 'Hidayat') or critically analyse faith undermines the cogency of their belief.

 

Not preaching here but in Islam, there's a great deal of logic employed.. The basic message always being, think think and think again. Also, one of the verses that I like to quote:

Will they not then, ponder over the Quran? If it were from other than Allah they would surely have found in it much discrepancies. [4:82]

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ok so even if the book was right all those years ago about the earth being round,

does that mean god told them or the rest has to be right?

 

 

they prob wasnt the first to know as many civilisations knew the world wasnt flat and that was by astronamy and that was many years before christ

 

and what do you mean recently?

 

Do you believe in the theory of probability?

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Apologies for bringing this up from the dead, just wanted to set the record straight.

 

There are some posts in this thread where I have linked to the lectures and work of Dr Zakir Naik. I have come across a few of his latest talks that I completely disagree with, so much so that I think the guy is an absolute loon (and thereby agree with some of you on here that pointed that out at the outset). I would just like to distance myself from this person and his beliefs.

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sorry to say i dont not believe in god at all, i believe in physics to much , there is just too much evidance to point at there is no god, life just wants to live, mainly life starts as a amino acid which are proteens that if you have the correct 6 can make up a single cell organisum then that cell will reproduce(mitosis), and thats just life as we know it jim. other planets and solar systems could very much have a life form that survives on other things like we have found in the deep oceans on this planet where the life forms survive from the under water valcaneos spuewing out gasses and heat which they live on, but these only last for a few 100 years so the hole ecosystem started from scratch when these pop up,

life on other planets do they have a god? is it the same god? why is there so mant diffferent gods? surely praying to the wrong god would upset the real god isent that ment to be a sin?

 

people can believe if they want to believe i just choose not to and i even go to church to surport my mrs

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It all depends how you Define God most people believe god is a big human who created humans etc. I see God as a force that can not be described, physics nor scientist can proove there is no force they can only go by the theories and back to the drawing boards. After all look at the master universe design do you actually believe such mass bang can design such a master piece without anything behind it.

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Apologies for bringing this up from the dead, just wanted to set the record straight.

 

There are some posts in this thread where I have linked to the lectures and work of Dr Zakir Naik. I have come across a few of his latest talks that I completely disagree with, so much so that I think the guy is an absolute loon (and thereby agree with some of you on here that pointed that out at the outset). I would just like to distance myself from this person and his beliefs.

I haven't seen any of his latest talks but his generally very good, very few people have studied all other religions to the level he has. I doubt many people can remember the whole Bible, Torah, Quran off the top of their heads. Feel free to PM me imi.

 

Im reading alot of books on Buddhism at the moment. Dont know why just wanted to know more.

 

Quite interesting really.

That's really good, it is healthy to explore other faiths, plus makes you more knowledgeable. :)

 

sorry to say i dont not believe in god at all, i believe in physics to much , there is just too much evidance to point at there is no god, life just wants to live, mainly life starts as a amino acid which are proteens that if you have the correct 6 can make up a single cell organisum then that cell will reproduce(mitosis), and thats just life as we know it jim. other planets and solar systems could very much have a life form that survives on other things like we have found in the deep oceans on this planet where the life forms survive from the under water valcaneos spuewing out gasses and heat which they live on, but these only last for a few 100 years so the hole ecosystem started from scratch when these pop up,

life on other planets do they have a god? is it the same god? why is there so mant diffferent gods? surely praying to the wrong god would upset the real god isent that ment to be a sin?

 

people can believe if they want to believe i just choose not to and i even go to church to surport my mrs

Could science explain why we are the only "truly" intellient species? I am stuck at this one.

 

If all it takes is a few cells to form together, why can't elephants talk (more than one language)?

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