matt k Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 I'm reading (well dipping in and out of) a book called the God delusion, it's kinda hard, becuase its academic, and I struggle with those kind of books, but it got me thinking about belief. I used to believe in God, well I tried to, for about a year, then it just dawned on me that I really didn't believe in him anymore. Any one else here actually still believe in God? No, I have a brain and anybody who believes in God clearly doesn't:Pling: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BASHTHEBISHOP Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 At the end of the day we are adults and its OUR choice what path if any we choose to follow, so I dont see this as a problem. I was just interested as to wether people thought been brought up into a particular faith was right or not? Like i said i am not sure i agree as i think it becomes less of a 'choice' and more that is imposed by parents etc. I know people still get a choice when they become adult but i think by that time the 'choice' is pretty much erradicated as it would be very hard for that person to let go all of what they had been told had been right for the previous 18 years. Just interested in the topic again and like to learn from others experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BASHTHEBISHOP Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 No, I have a brain and anybody who believes in God clearly doesn't:Pling: I think you need to re-think how you word things. Just because people choose to beleive in something based on what they experience etc does not mean they have no intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt k Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 I think you need to re-think how you word things. Just because people choose to beleive in something based on what they experience etc does not mean they have no intelligence. Thanks for pointing that out, it must of blindsided me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 You made the statement that your book hadn't changed. The burden of proof lies with you. I have no idea re the bible changing or not. True...lets leave that Bible changing bit aside as that is very straight forward. I was just interested as to wether people thought been brought up into a particular faith was right or not? Like i said i am not sure i agree as i think it becomes less of a 'choice' and more that is imposed by parents etc. I know people still get a choice when they become adult but i think by that time the 'choice' is pretty much erradicated as it would be very hard for that person to let go all of what they had been told had been right for the previous 18 years. Good post. At the end of the day I will say it yet again, it is ONES personal choice. If ONE is serious about the subject and research the topic themselves, study it and then truely believe in it then letting go of what they have been told for however many years is irrelevant as letting go of what is wrong shouldnt be an issue. If it is, then ONE needs to look into how true they are with their intentions. If ONE is blindly following whatever religion purely because they have been told to do so, then I would prefer to be an Atheist cause atleast they are using their brains and questioning.... I would suggest watching these following short videos if interested, Dr Naik (MBBS) is far more knowledgeable and much more profound. Part2 Part3 Part4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The Bible has not changed one little bit, only how it is seen. Man chose what books you were going to read, it is upon yourself to find them all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 I think you need to re-think how you word things. Just because people choose to beleive in something based on what they experience etc does not mean they have no intelligence. Its amazing what a tantrum people throw when you talk about which ECU is better for a UK-spec http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?p=1762698#post1762698 so its kinda understandable (yet inexcusable) to lose the plot and start insulting people for having different opinions about their belief systems or the absense of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 If ONE is blindly following whatever religion purely because they have been told to do so, then I would prefer to be an Atheist cause atleast they are using their brains and questioning.... i would say i'm indifferent to religion............now i put that down almost certainly to the fact my parents are indifferent also. If my parents were Muslim i would expect i would be Muslim, whatever 'ones' choice is, it is a choice based on 'ones' life experience to date and all the influences to which 'one' has been subjected to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 i would say i'm indifferent to religion............now i put that down almost certainly to the fact my parents are indifferent also. If my parents were Muslim i would expect i would be Muslim, whatever 'ones' choice is, it is a choice based on 'ones' life experience to date and all the influences to which 'one' has been subjected to. That is not the criteria of being a muslim. Its an individual choice and an individuals responsibility. As an example, having an arabic name is not the criteria of being a muslim. If one is not practicing or not striving to practise, does not really believe then what is the point being a "follower" by name and not by practise. This goes for any path and not just Islam. You have to be true to yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masenko Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 I believe in God however, I respect the beliefs of everybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRASUZUKI Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The Bible has not changed one little bit, only how it is seen. Man chose what books you were going to read, it is upon yourself to find them all You're wrong mate, it's the Quran that hasn't changed in 1400 years. Haven't you been listening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 That is not the criteria of being a muslim. Its an individual choice and an individuals responsibility. As an example, having an arabic name is not the criteria of being a muslim. If one is not practicing or not striving to practise, does not really believe then what is the point being a "follower" by name and not by practise. This goes for any path and not just Islam. You have to be true to yourself. i'm not talking about criteria and that its not open to all etc, i'm merely expressing my view that if my upbringing had involved a lot a of things that yours did and the people i loved and trusted more than any others did these things as a matter of course i'm sure i would now be doing them. As a rule religious parents do not take their kids one week to the C of E church the next to the Roman Catholic one and then a Mosque the next and see which little Jane/Johnny prefers, they know whats best/right?.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 i'm not talking about criteria and that its not open to all etc, i'm merely expressing my view that if my upbringing had involved a lot a of things that yours did and the people i loved and trusted more than any others did these things as a matter of course i'm sure i would now be doing them. . Agree that it makes it easier to follow due to the environment...however I still maintain that one should do something because of ones will and not because they are following some family custom or some culture. Its an individual's responsibility and a personal choice. I believe in God however, I respect the beliefs of everybody else. bravo... and I think that's a good note to end this thread on, I am quite impressed with how civil the discussion has been so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 We believe in exactly the same things (Greek christian orthodox) Someone mentioned about Greeks believing in greek mythology! You talking about thousand years ago because for the past 3000years our official religion is " Christian orthodox ". No its not Greeks know what God looks like, all Orthodox Christian churches have the figure of God on the top of the church. Yes . So Christianity is 3000 years old? I think there's a lot to be said for Genuine-Real-Free choice as most children are simply indoctrinated more than likely in to their parents faith. It is absurd to refer to kids as...a christian boy or a muslim girl. Lets put a load of babies on an Island where religion isn't a concept, but kindness is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastisnice Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 I hate when people try to "force" others to believe that who ever believe in God is stupid or brainless. No it doesnt mean because you dont believe you are bad or you will commit crimes, but what it means is that if your parents were strong believers may raise you under "stricter" rules and it will be more difficult to become "bad" or will try and "enfoce" being good and avoid bad influences (trouble youngsters). Why some people are so absolute in here? its not just black or white! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 see what im confused although i still have alot of readings to do is how on earth were humans bought to life it just couldnt of been this bang and a human was created? so currently im thinking he does exist there must be someone:innocent: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Keep reading Jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Keep reading Jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Just thought i would pop back to see if the wars started yet;):devil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 see what im confused although i still have alot of readings to do is how on earth were humans bought to life it just couldnt of been this bang and a human was created? so currently im thinking he does exist there must be someone:innocent: Are you refering to how life itself kickstarted from a dead rock in space, or how humans came to be as a species? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lbm Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I hate when people try to "force" others to believe that who ever believe in God is stupid or brainless. No it doesnt mean because you dont believe you are bad or you will commit crimes, but what it means is that if your parents were strong believers may raise you under "stricter" rules and it will be more difficult to become "bad" or will try and "enfoce" being good and avoid bad influences (trouble youngsters). Why some people are so absolute in here? its not just black or white! Who's being black and white now? Where's your evidence for this? Statistically the majority of inmates in US jails are Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I've said it before but... after seeing how they drive in Sri Lanka (surprisingly for the vast majority of the time without accidents), there must be something to this Buddhist lark. Although it's technically not a religion. Tricky Ricky, Princess Mononoke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I believe in God however, I respect the beliefs of everybody else. Just wondering how this can be the case ? No disrespect or anything but a lot of people have this view.... but to me it makes no sense. If you believe in god etc.... then this to you means that it is the way things are and therefore if other people believe in something else, then to you it must mean they are silly for not believing in what you see as the trueth ?? The same goes for the opposite... as in the scientific view. I asked an american this question a while back (she was a proper full on christian), and her view was that any non-believer of christianity was mis-guided and needed to be s'hown the light'... as she put it. This is more the view I'd expect proper believers to take. And if you think about it why don't all full on religious believers think why there is more than one religion out there ? If they truely believe in their own religion then surely this should be the only one in existence ? Not trying to offend anyone here... these are just my own thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 The same goes for the opposite... as in the scientific view. Not really, as I've said before it's an adaptable view by it's very nature, and since it's all just theory rather than proof; if the evidence came up that proved the existence of something, then it would become the scientists view that it was the new truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Tricky Ricky, Princess Mononoke? Yes:) the Kodama (tree spirits) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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