hogmaw Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I assume that during the MOT they test seat belts? Cos the other day I went round a corner and boing the baby seat - with the baby in it - went flying across the back seat!!! I stopped (baby was OK) and checked and the seat belt straps holding the baby seat in place had been done up wrong - which they were! I can only assume that when the MOT had been done the previous week, the engineer had tested the straps and replaced the baby seat incorrectly! It could all have gone terribly wrong had we had an accident, so there's lesson there to be learned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 You told them about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted December 31, 2007 Author Share Posted December 31, 2007 Not yet but I will do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 And rightly so! That could of been a disaster! Good heads up tho hogmaw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 You told them about this? Not yet but I will do! And rightly so! That could of been a disaster! Good heads up tho hogmaw! Oh please. Yes seatbelts are checked as part of the MOT. It is NOT part of the MOT process to know how to fit a baby seat. Why on earth would it be their responsibility to check your baby is secured correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chingy Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Wow:blink: thats bad. Used to work in a car audio shop when we removed baby seats we always used to place it in the drivers seat, that way the owner knew that it had been removed. There is so many on the market with different ways to strap them up better to let the owner do it. Really glad your baby was ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Oh please.... tbh mate id like my car returned to me in the same way that i gave it to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erol_h Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 If you remove something its your responsibilty to put it back how you found it. If you dont know you should say not just guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Totally agree. If it comes out, at least point out it was done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 i would have just left the baby seat left in a way that it was obvious to the owner that i was not secure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
far Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 If you remove something its your responsibilty to put it back how you found it. If you dont know you should say not just guess. well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Thats terrible:blink:, glad all is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyou Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Chingy said Wow thats bad. Used to work in a car audio shop when we removed baby seats we always used to place it in the drivers seat, that way the owner knew that it had been removed. There is so many on the market with different ways to strap them up better to let the owner do it. Really glad your baby was ok think thats the safest thing to do if i were a mot station Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDA Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 If a child seat is fitted using the belt provided then the seat belt does not even have to be tested so that it avoids this kind of situation. This should be mentioned on the VT32 advisory notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 If you remove something its your responsibilty to put it back how you found it. If you dont know you should say not just guess. No it isn't, it's the testers responsibility to MOT your car, not refit child seats or anything else you've fitted in your car that prevents that. It should however probably be best practise if they did leave it on the passenger seat if they'd removed but it's in no way their responsibility. If a child seat is fitted using the belt provided then the seat belt does not even have to be tested so that it avoids this kind of situation. This should be mentioned on the VT32 advisory notice. Complete crap. So as long as the seat belt looks like it's ok then that's fine is it? Hell why don't they just wheel the car in, have a quick scan over it, yeah that looks ok it passes. Why bother with actually testing anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 If a child seat is fitted using the belt provided then the seat belt does not even have to be tested so that it avoids this kind of situation. This should be mentioned on the VT32 advisory notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDA Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 No it isn't, it's the testers responsibility to MOT your car, not refit child seats or anything else you've fitted in your car that prevents that. It should however probably be best practise if they did leave it on the passenger seat if they'd removed but it's in no way their responsibility. Complete crap. So as long as the seat belt looks like it's ok then that's fine is it? Hell why don't they just wheel the car in, have a quick scan over it, yeah that looks ok it passes. Why bother with actually testing anything? Wrong, I am a tester and if a child seat is fitted using the adult belt to secure it in place then a full inspection of the adult belt is not required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Wrong, I am a tester and if a child seat is fitted using the adult belt to secure it in place then a full inspection of the adult belt is not required. Yes it is (my father is a tester by the way). So if by your reasoning the belt is frayed, or the clasp can be pulled apart that's fine if a child seat is fitted is it? If that child seat is removed and someone goes through the windscreen when the belt fails that's perfectly acceptable is it? No, there is nothing in the MOT guidelines that says if a child seat is fitted you don't have to bother checking the seatbelt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Wrong, I am a tester and if a child seat is fitted using the adult belt to secure it in place then a full inspection of the adult belt is not required. That's insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 That's insane. I was thinking that but wasn't sure whether law supported insanity on MOT's as it does in other things!! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philstowell Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 glad the kid was ok matey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 the seat belt CANNOT be unfastened. so the child seat remains in the secure position. BUT a visual check of the belt is carried out, if i can remember correctly from my testing days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 the seat belt CANNOT be unfastened. so the child seat remains in the secure position. BUT a visual check of the belt is carried out, if i can remember correctly from my testing days. It can be unfastened, and should in order to check clasp mechanism. You are supposed to check all seat belts fitted in the car, including child restraints, but you are only to fail the car on the condition of any permanently fixed belts. This still means you should check the condition of seatbelts regardless of whether a child seat is fitted or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 It can be unfastened, and should in order to check clasp mechanism. You are supposed to check all seat belts fitted in the car, including child restraints, but you are only to fail the car on the condition of any permanently fixed belts. This still means you should check the condition of seatbelts regardless of whether a child seat is fitted or not. i'll have a look at our testers guide lines in the morning. but i,m sure that you cannot unfasten the seatbelt if there is a child seat fitted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 i'll have a look at our testers guide lines in the morning. but i,m sure that you cannot unfasten the seatbelt if there is a child seat fitted With regard to checking seatbelt fastening mechanism there is actually a guideline as follows... The vehicle presenter should be advised of and given the opportunity to remove any temporarily fitted device likely to cause failure under this reason for rejection before notification of refusal is issued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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