creative Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 bbc news oh dear. RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabs Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 RIP..... wonder what impact this will have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 RIP..... wonder what impact this will have... an over the top one as normal from certain people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Rip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 The big issue is that Pakistan is a nuclear power, which suddenly makes internal skirmishes a bit of an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
far Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I cant believe she didnt keep it low key after the attempted murder/ bomb earlier this year...unfortunatly what happend is typical of the ongoing political issues in Pakistan and she wasnt the first political figure to go this way and I dont think she will be the last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 i did this for my RAF topic, well the Pakistan crisis. This is massive news. She was going to look into a power sharing deal with musharraf at one point until he locked her up. On phone now so cant write a meaningful sort yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I cant believe she didnt keep it low key after the attempted murder/ bomb earlier this year...unfortunatly what happend is typical of the ongoing political issues in Pakistan and she wasnt the first political figure to go this way and I dont think she will be the last I found myself thinking of the zimbabwe situation, yes there are freee elections, it just sucks to be the opposition... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Musharraf will remain in power. He's rigged the elections following the declaration of a state of Emergency twice now and the opposition have always been banished, exiled or shot like Nawaz Sharif. It reminds me more of the Burma crisis and the ol 8-8-1988 disaster. The military Junta there have ruled for years and it never looks like democracy will win the day, likewise for Pakistan. With the Pushtun rebels on the Afghan border pushing further into Pakistan as the Taliban reinstate themselves, you have to see why International action MUST be taken now before it's too late. Taliban insurgents getting their dirty hands on Pakistani Nuclear Warheads - say goodbye to next years crimbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil tt Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Thats terrible:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozz Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 an over the top one as normal from certain people She was blown up and cut to pieces with shrapnel, I would think any reaction will be extreme. If it happened in America they would bomb the first people they could find back to the stone ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 She was blown up and cut to pieces with shrapnel, I would think any reaction will be extreme. If it happened in America they would bomb the first people they could find back to the stone ages. No, I think you will find she was shot in the neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Don't think Mushy will allow a bunch of rebels anywhere near his nukes Greg. Mushman is a whole different ball game. How safe is anyone if he has a finger on the trigger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozz Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 No, I think you will find she was shot in the neck. I missed that bit, the article I read said she died from shrapnel wounds as a result of the bomb - pellets in the bombers jacket apparantly. Not that it really matters, this is still going to provoke a violent response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Musharraf will remain in power. He's rigged the elections following the declaration of a state of Emergency twice now and the opposition have always been banished, exiled or shot like Nawaz Sharif. It reminds me more of the Burma crisis and the ol 8-8-1988 disaster. The military Junta there have ruled for years and it never looks like democracy will win the day, likewise for Pakistan. With the Pushtun rebels on the Afghan border pushing further into Pakistan as the Taliban reinstate themselves, you have to see why International action MUST be taken now before it's too late. Taliban insurgents getting their dirty hands on Pakistani Nuclear Warheads - say goodbye to next years crimbo. So what's your idea of International action? Get a US led 'coalition' to invade and occupy Pakistan. Musharraf is the only ally the West has in a Pakistan. I wouldn't be too surprised if there are a few sighs of relief in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I missed that bit, the article I read said she died from shrapnel wounds as a result of the bomb - pellets in the bombers jacket apparantly. Not that it really matters, this is still going to provoke a violent response. In all fairness, I think she was probably shot and then blown up, so not a good way to go either way but having the both imposed on you is shocking. It is indeed a sad day for Pakistan. I was hoping for a democracy or power-sharing arrangement at least so the Pakistanis could concentrate on eliminating the Taliban insurgency, not their ridiculous play antics. Andy - Yeah I know Musharraf will look after the nukey-babies but even so, I believe the threat is becoming more real than ever before and I wouldn't be surprised if a few further incidents start arising that do concern weapons, not necessarily those of mass destruction capability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 So what's your idea of International action? Get a US led 'coalition' to invade and occupy Pakistan. Musharraf is the only ally the West has in a Pakistan. I wouldn't be too surprised if there are a few sighs of relief in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington DC. Not in the slightest Chewie. I completely agree with you that a US led coalition force would be detrimental to the stability of Pakistan, the wider West and Middle East and the US themselves. Did I mention MILITARY action? No. I meant more in terms of International pressure. I do believe that American and Britain have taken too much of a conservative approach though in the past. Reminds me a little of old appeasement policies adopted at the early stages of WW2. Yes, Pakistan and Musharraf are key allies in the fight with insurgents providing key logistical support too and they also provide the data trackings of 'would be' suicide bombers into Britain. However, Musharraf has gone about the whole thing the wrong way, firstly with his State of Emergency, refusing to derobe (I know he has now after international pressure), purging the dissident judges, attempting to replace the Supreme Court members, amending the constitution so he could rule and stay in the Military and by placing the Chief of Justic under house arrest. There's a few actions there that deserve some International pressure. I think the US/UK should push for deomcracy in Pakistan with whatever leverage they have available to them. I also think there needs to be an open approach to all general elections i.e. previous ballots do not count and Musharraf shouldn't consider himself a winner based on the last results - they should be scrapped. International Sactions could quite easily be implemented without a negative impact on the supported fight against terrorism. Musharraf has built his International alliances on FEAR and the premise that whoever replaces him will be worse, but this is no longer the case as he is an integral part of Pakistans growings instability. He should either go completely or look towards a power-sharing deal with the next in lin, which was Bhutto. How appropriate she's no longer with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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