weinelm Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 I've been thinking for a while about installing a RLTC system, the only problem is I've got a NA without ABS.... (didn't think of that when I bought it...) I'm sure it's possible to install the system, but is it really sensible? I reckon I've got a few options:- 1) You can get wheelspeed sensors from Racelogic, but then you have to find somewhere to mount them, plus I need to have some kind of brackets made up. http://www.racelogic.co.uk/traction/wss.htm 2) I could fit my car with the toyota ABS sensors, but it turns out it's not that straight forward! I always thought that ABS would be a sort of "plug in" option at the factory. But... the hubs and carriers are different on non ABS cars (why did they do that!), so I think you need:- - ABS Front hubs/carriers - Rear hubs/carriers - Rear drive shafts, as these have the tooth wheels on. - ABS sensors and moutings And all that doesn't even give you a working ABS system, for that you'd still need: ABS pump, ABS controller, wiring loom with ABS connections, acceleration sensor, all new brake pipes, mountings and connections... 3). Sell my car and buy one with ABS! But I don't really want to do that as I've spent so much time and money on my current one! ... Unless anyone has a really nice Black SZ/SZ-R manual WITH ABS taking up too much room? I favour the second option, but what's it likely to cost? Anyone got any other ideas?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 1) Easiest and quickest, just find a company that can install the sensors and the RLTC, I would never of got mine working, so was glad I took it to Matt H to get the install done, but I had ABS in the first place. 2) That is a bad idea, The amount of cost and time to get that fitted would be horrendous. DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS. 3) Not a bad idea, depends on, as you say, how much you have already spent on your current car. Option 1 seems the best idea to me. IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 I'd ask a Racelogic dealer. They obviously manage to fit them onto cars without ABS somehow. An ABS upgrade isn't feasible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 Let me know how it goes, as I'm going to need something similar. Thanks Gav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel lane Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 You got a NA !! what you thinking off ???? save your money ... just use some good tyres , and sort your suspension out !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 I can't count the number of times I've ended up arse out in my NA. Especially if driving hard. There's hundreds of roundabouts in Telford, and crappy cars leaking oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilg Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 Fob it off as a bad idea and sell the RLTC to me dirty cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weinelm Posted January 4, 2005 Author Share Posted January 4, 2005 I can't count the number of times I've ended up arse out in my NA. Especially if driving hard. There's hundreds of roundabouts in Telford, and crappy cars leaking oil. Yup me too. Good fun, but not on a Monday morning on the way to work.... :upside: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weinelm Posted January 4, 2005 Author Share Posted January 4, 2005 2) That is a bad idea, The amount of cost and time to get that fitted would be horrendous. DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS. I thought option 1 one might be the easiest, but I got a quote from a scappy for £60 for each front hub. I don't know what rears with drive shafts would cost though. Plus I think (hope) my bearings are ok at the mo, I don't really want to mess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weinelm Posted January 6, 2005 Author Share Posted January 6, 2005 Been doing a bit more digging. 1) Wheelspeed sensors £250 2) Bits from a scrappy:- 2x Front hub and carrier = £120 2x Rear hubs and carrier = £100 2x Rear drive shafts = £100 None of this includes fitting. But I generally try and do stuff myself. So option one probably is cheaper, I'm just not sure there is anywhere practical to mount the sensors (but haven't looked closely). Option 2, is not a whole lot of dosh more, and would be a neater solution - but there is the potential for putting dodgy bearings on the car ! How difficult is it to swap these bits? What are the knuckle joints like to get off and on? (I confess to knowing very little about this, some parts may not be reusable ) Pretty much decided I'm not going to sell the car, so probably will have to speak a racelogic installer soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Interesting speed sensor install story on a TVR tuscan here : http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=5&h=0&t=30071 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weinelm Posted January 6, 2005 Author Share Posted January 6, 2005 Thanks for that very interesting. But I'm beginning to get the feeling I'm on my own! Has anyone installed RLTC on a non ABS Supra... or has everyone else too much sense! ....I feel a challenge coming on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 SWensors MUST be very rigidly mounted, and able to maintain a fixed, vibration free close distance from whatever they are "reading". Inner rear CV joint bolts would work on the rear. Maybe you could get them to read the vanes on the vented front discs, or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Need4Speed Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 I wouldn't have thought a N/A had enough grunt to justify RLTC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustGav Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 beg to differ..... If you pratt about even the NA auto.. you get it to step out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weinelm Posted January 6, 2005 Author Share Posted January 6, 2005 No problem getting the back out at all.... it's getting it back in thats the tricky part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Need4Speed Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Isn't that half the fun of RWD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 beg to differ..... If you pratt about even the NA auto.. you get it to step out.... Have to agree here it 's not the amount of power per say or even knowing you car very well. It's the the fact that the surface conditions can change and will at some point catch us all out. I have felt the brunt of this in many different cars and have always driven with the TC OFF. Now that it has cost me some expensive metal I think that the cost of a little secutiry far outweights the cost of the car .And i shall be leaving the TC on futher cars in crap weather and still have as much fun as in the dry .....not that RTLC is invincible because it will not stop overlandish behavior but it help to get a little more out of a car if you are not a top end driver like me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Isn't that half the fun of RWD? Did you see the pics of what Mig did to that beautiful M3 of his? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 LOL that will teach me for leaving the Tc off. Would not mind but straight line at 55mph and thats what can happen when you have not enough room to save yourself quick enough. Note to self LEAVE TC ON IN RAIN . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weinelm Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 2) Bits from a scrappy:- 2x Front hub and carrier = £120 2x Rear hub and carrier = £100 2x Rear drive shafts = £100 How difficult is it to swap these bits? What are the knuckle joints like to get off and on? I'm still weighing up my options Anyone know how difficult it is to swap these parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgee2jz Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I guess this was never done then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I see no one mentions the Solaris alternative. It comes completely boxed and is the only serious challenger to RLTC. Check it out with RyanG. Prices are not that much different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I see no one mentions the Solaris alternative. That's because we didn't know about it nearly five years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JODY T Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 I guess this was never done then? if you look at his garage it says he did it, on 4 sensor mode or something.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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