Guest rapid Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Hello, I'm seriously considering to buy a BL T61 kit. I've found some power figures but I'd like to have more evidence to be sure it's enough for my needs So could you please post: T61 kit (BL or PHR): Boost: AFR: Power (specify at flywheel or at wheels): ECU: Cams: Injectors: If you have dyno sheets, that'd be good Thanks for helping me! /Mattias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz1 Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 check threads by ryan g, i think he has some dyno prints on here somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Hello, I'm seriously considering to buy a BL T61 kit. I've found some power figures but I'd like to have more evidence to be sure it's enough for my needs So could you please post: T61 kit (BL or PHR): Boost: AFR: Power (specify at flywheel or at wheels): ECU: Cams: Injectors: If you have dyno sheets, that'd be good Thanks for helping me! /Mattias BL T61 1.4 bar 10.8 @ WOT 510 rwhp (thor) stock with SAFC UK 550 cc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Check out this thread http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=128998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rapid Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Check out this thread http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=128998 Oh, thanks! I thought I had seen every T61 thread there was Your graph looks nice! Is it flywheel or rearwheel power? Why are you not running 1.4 bar after the 264/264 upgrade? Are you running 650cc in stock fuel rail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 All those figures are fwhp from the same dyno As for not running 1.4bar, I havent got round to sorting my boost control out yet, still a few tweeks needed here and there. The weather isnt exactly right for tuning boost control. Stock rail, fpr, lines and filter, only fueling items changed are injectors and pump, I have a single Walbro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rapid Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Wez - Excellent! You're running PHR street kit? It's the same price as BL kit so I might as well go for that. Only drawback, as I can see, is that I can't put a 67mm turbo if I need in the future. Are you satisfied with the power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 I am not running a PHR street kit, I have a PHR stage 1 (60-1) turbo. My setup is a modified induction motorsport kit, it uses a similar cast manifold but the wastegate has been ported and in my case the two flanges welded together. I dont think anyone has tried a T67 sized turbo on these cast manifolds. Arnout produces a much better cast manifold, the wastegate flange area uses three studs instead of two and is much larger, the internal volume of the manifold is also greater and would support bigger turbos. Am I happy with my power, Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Just curious, what fuel/ign controller are you planning on using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rapid Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 ok, but I guess the PHR kit would give very similar results to yours? Is there a limitation on the wastegate in the PHR kit? Sure, I'm planning to go for AEM since I know people here who has experience with it. They've also used MAP ECU2 so I might go for that if I run out of money. But if I can run with stock fuel rails etc, I'll be fine for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 If you go with an AEM you will also need to include a HKS DLI and a map sensor, I use the AEM 3.5bar and set my scale to 1.85bar. Another option is the Link unit which doesnt require a DLI or map sensor, if you want one of these speak with Ryan.G on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 I am not running a PHR street kit, I have a PHR stage 1 (60-1) turbo. My setup is a modified induction motorsport kit, it uses a similar cast manifold but the wastegate has been ported and in my case the two flanges welded together. I dont think anyone has tried a T67 sized turbo on these cast manifolds. Arnout produces a much better cast manifold, the wastegate flange area uses three studs instead of two and is much larger, the internal volume of the manifold is also greater and would support bigger turbos. Am I happy with my power, Yes never realised you were not on a tubular manifold there Wez is this the stock modified item from the budget BL kits that Vortex were doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 Nope, its an induction motorsport manifold, similar to the turbonetics but the wastegate port has been enlarged. I have also had mine welded so I dont need to use a gasket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Nope, its an induction motorsport manifold, similar to the turbonetics but the wastegate port has been enlarged. I have also had mine welded so I dont need to use a gasket. never realised you could run so much power through such a restrictive manifold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 never realised you could run so much power through such a restrictive manifold More to come yet and still on a SMIC too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 More to come yet and still on a SMIC too you sure yours wasn't dyno'ed at Thor as well Wez lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 you sure yours wasn't dyno'ed at Thor as well Wez lol Always SRR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.G Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Paul Mac i Just noticed your Sig 510RWHP on a Auto with just a T61, SAFCII and no aftermarket cams, Blimey thats unbelievable! Was that on a chassis dyno or a Hub P.s Love your bonnet just saw it in your garage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rapid Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Is 650cc power enterprise injectors enough or would you go for 800c in stock fuel rail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraFlynn Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 never realised you could run so much power through such a restrictive manifold I recently did some research into cast manifolds and got talking to a guy called Jeff from Induction Motorsports in the US, and I quote: My car made 816rwhp with the cast manifold and a 70mm turbo, which is about as high as a 70mm turbo will go. In other words, they hold their own with all but the best of race-only header setups. Cast manifold would actually be my preference if i went single. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I recently did some research into cast manifolds and got talking to a guy called Jeff from Induction Motorsports in the US. It was Jeff who I puchased my kit from, aftersales support was great as this was the first time I tried anything this involved Shame they dont sell the kit anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Is 650cc power enterprise injectors enough or would you go for 800c in stock fuel rail? If I was doing it again I would prob go with 800cc, just for a bit more headroom as stock fuel pressure and 1.4bar is pushing the 650cc close to safe max duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraFlynn Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 He did mention that they didn't sell the kit anymore but I think they outsourced the manufacture of the manifold and could get hold of them if required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Paul Mac i Just noticed your Sig 510RWHP on a Auto with just a T61, SAFCII and no aftermarket cams, Blimey thats unbelievable! Was that on a chassis dyno or a Hub P.s Love your bonnet just saw it in your garage RHHP at Thor, which as far as i can tell from various threads seems to come out about the same as most other dynos estimated flywheel power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Well I can sort of second that. Mine was dyno'd at JAE this year at 454 on thors and the following day at marlin motorsport at 451 one was supposed to be the hub figure and the other the calculated fly figure. Weather was almost identical and both were on a non pre-run preloaded ie very hot engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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