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Reminds me of this from another terrorist nation http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

- You're clutching on straws.

well we know that is rubbish cause I was one of 2 Million that turned up for the Stop the war protest march - and we know how that ended. Democracy is no match to big business.

These guys are taking credit for anything and everything around the world - wouldnt surprise me if they take credit for someones flat tyre or a blocked toilet.... Israel are the polar opposite - they are doing a stellar job is NOT taking credit for all that they are doing (behind the scenes obviously). Its a shame that people like you are selective in your humanitarians emotions - have this affinity towards Syrians and Iraqis however an allergy towards Palestinians - victims of genocide for the past many decades. It is also a shame that more people (outside of certain communities) are not speaking up to the atrocities that Israel is responsible for and bringing their powers to be to justice - topic for another thread.

Problem is we have a habit of sticking our nose into all these "conflicts" - like that annoying lad that constantly hovers around wanting to get involved despite not having a scooby......forcing his way through only to drop a massive stink bomb If you are looking for hardline "Islamism" then look no further than our Rich Gulf Allies that exist due to our support. Arab springs was a sham and a scam to destabilize the region of moderate arabs (precursor to this proxy war). Again - we've covered this already. anyway, i've provided my view on the why and the how - its laughable to me when i hear some STILL go on about western humanitarian interests - I don't believe them.

Whats your point? Agree to Consistency or Hypocrisy?

My point being - consistency would be appreciated rather than the current & usual hypocrisy.

This is what we do about the immediate situation Part 1 Part 2 Double take - For a second I thought you were referring to Israel.....

I have good Iraqi friends that tell me how it really is in Iraq for the average Joe. Their story corroborates this. you look at things from your perspective at that moment in time - sadly the reality is somewhat different.

sensationalism - there is no IS country. Seems like you have been suckered into the media hype. you say beheading by ISIS - what about Saudi Arabia, these take place every week.......whats the difference? western lives vs non-western? you say caliphate - again, the finger points at Saudi, Qatar - the origin of this latest evil - these two seem to be the main funding and idealogical salafi and wahhabi sources. earlier I made some suggestions on how to address the parasite that is ISIS. Obviously no one wants to follow that line of thought as its bad for business - instead you military folks want to shoot your firecrackers and blow the whole place to bits murdering thousands along the way. why and how has the govt suddenly made £2B available in order to prep for war? how does that work? to me it seems like it there are good returns to be made here - back to the business model. Paris - the terrorists were EU citizens and yet we are planning to bomb Syria - We have terrorists within and yet we are bombing Syria. I find it amazing that we have "civilized" people trying to justify another war - after the repeated failures over the past 25 years. Failures that have put us in this position in the 1st place. The lack of logic is baffling. the concern for the poor Syrian people - superficial and counter productive. Like they say Military personnel are trained to take orders and follow blindly - seems like i'm having a debate with a brick wall.

Agree with the above How do you propose we do that without killing innocent people or as the military prefer to call them collateral damage? How do we do the above without destroying the civilian infrastructure that the innocent Syrians heavily depend on? How many British military lives are we willing to put on the line? Who is answerable to those families? How come we are so trigger happy to attack a foreign country and yet turning a blind eye to problems at home. What if A neibouring European country were to decide to attack the UK for harbouring ISIS sympathisers or even worse sleepers? Not as if our intelligence agencies seem to be doing anything about it

this is the problem with your line of thinking. cheap shot -- however for the effected families that are sane and look at it objectively they will agree with my post above - that you have conveniently ignored. for others that are looking for revenge - well, an eye for eye is what Bushair and Bush Senior before him have already tried - The irony is that they are the ones truly responsible for 7/7 and Paris - remember the business model _6 years and still waiting for the chilcot report. Country?? by that logic why not destroy London / UK - as the lunatic cut off Rigby's head not so long ago here - on our soil. by the Ch4 program that was broadcasted last night (link posted above) we are harbouring terrorists - perhaps we should start by bombing ourselves?????? Unfortunately seems like you are fixated on your hatred of the media-fed ISIS inspired version of Islam, this has exasperated your hatred of muslims, your view of muslim lives therefore being dispensable compared to European lives. Thats the only way I can explain your trigger happy attitude towards Syria while completely ignoring the issues at home + looking at the bigger picture and trying to address the root causes of these issues - either that or you are incredibly naive and stupid. Very disappointed - even more so as the powers to be seem to be playing the same old tune again. As they say - Charity starts at home - and we seem to be ignoring that - yet again (once is an accident, twice is stupidity, more is deliberate)

My stance is that it is NOT our problem to solve so we should keep out. The UN however should and can address this by doing the following. Cut off the supply of funds / arms to ISIS. Someone is buying 2M barrels of Oil from ISIS everyday - name and shame them and shut that down. To all the countries that have supported ISIS to promote their ideology / sell them weapons - name and shame and shut that down and bring those countries to Trial. If the UN really wants to put an end to this then we must break the business model - else it will be a repeat of Iraq until the next country a few years down the line. Cameron must investigate ISIS terror funding by Gulf allies Example - we destroyed Iraq - its in a far worse situation today than under Saddam - there is NO plan to rebuild the country for the Iraqi people. please dont tell me that we now suddenly care about the Syrians. Military action will make it worse for the Syrians like their neighbours before them - it will just fuel the business model for the next country down the line. I am sorry I have seen this same movie play out many times since 1990 - will be disingenuous to fall for the same lies again. it makes it worse for the region we invade and destroy and makes Britain and Europe a much more dangerous place.

if i remember correctly you support military action, correct - and if so like I have said before we will be playing right into the hands of ISIS - that is exactly what they want - this will further fuel the business model that I described earlier (hence why you see such a political urgency in rallying support for a united military front). Like before - it is all a facade and ISIS are playing their role in the business model. With military action not only will we make the situation worse for the innocent in Syrian (look at our past invasions since 1990) - we will unleash potential sleeper cells within Britain & Europe. time to wake up and smell the coffee - as per my post above - I would love to see David C look after Britain FIRST Since 2014 we have been at emergency level SEVERE - what are they doing about addressing that OR severe the new normal?

Something doesn't add up. They shouldn't have been flying in Turkish airspace without their permission. They should have responded back to the numerous calls from the Turks. Either the Russians or the Turks are not being honest.

looks stunning - personally (not that its an option) would go with a different colour interior than black.

Agree - isnt this another pointless capitalist import from across the pond?

This is what I would do - not perfect but a start. First priority - protect the UK - all citizens, both British and immigrant. - Ensure we bolster the border force to protect our borders - need to stem the illegals coming in and British citizens with jihadi temptations travelling in and out. atleast with Cameron's refugee plan we will be doing proper checks as supposed to the open border policy of Merkel with an influx of over 800K people already - all unchecked - some potentially even more ISIS in Europe. Protecting our borders is the main and only priority at this moment in time. - this was an eye opener on Ch4 last night - as you can see we have enemies within - can we start by addressing them FIRST - l for one do not understand why these people are free - we have been hearing of these UK terrorist organisations in Britain for the past 10-15 years. If there was ever a case of holding terrorists in Camp-X then this was it. remove these people from society. like with Belgium and France - what is the plan to tackle with European Citizens who are part of ISIS or are supporters of Isis within Europe, in our case the UK? - Everyone in Britain needs to feel like they are part of the society, we have plenty of segregated communities around Britain, some muslim others not where families live their entire lives within their community and never engage and interact with the rest of society - this needs to be fixed - else we will continue to breed the home grown terrorists as we see in the video above. Another example - when I scroll through SKY there are atleast 20-25 religious channels - this was never the case before - why do we need so many of these channels? secondly most of these do spout out rubbish, divisive - not enough to bring them to the level of almuhajiroun and ISIS but enough to promote sympathetic emotions towards them. - Finally - controversial - ban all extreme religious clothing (full veil, orthodox jewish clothing, etc) in places of work / schools etc, in other words limit it to religious places only. this will help with cohesion within the society. Not a fan of Sadiq Khan - however agree with this viewpoint of his regarding this subject.

yes, my comment was in regards to the subject of the Video and the response within.

Accidents do happen however it's super rare for someone to admit their fault and leave their details behind. Unfortunately society these days are jealous and don't care about damaging other people's property

Good Response - definitely starts the conversation.

All is not lost, plenty can be done - really depends on what our objective ACTUALLY is, what is it, do you know? from what I can it seems like its a continuation of the business model that I described earlier - the rest is a smoke screen with hollow sympathy for human suffering.

Other than holding a military arms and air show in Dubai a few weeks back where billions of dollars worth of deals were done - what have they actually done?

To me it seems like we are confused or are a bunch of liars. We talk about saving the Syrians and yet we want to close our borders to the refugees..... We blame muslims for the atrocities of IS and yet we want to save the poor Syrians, good bunch of which are muslims. We are quick to hold Islam responsible for terrorism and yet mourn for the lives of innocent muslim blood being spilt in Syria. We want to help the Syrian people by bombing IS - fully recognising the fact that there will be untold amount of "collateral damage" - look at what the french did earlier in the week - IMO equal if not more reprehensible than the killings in paris. Why Syria, what about the destruction IS is causing in parts of Africa? I judge us by the results of our military intervention and illegal invasions (alongside big brother) for the past 25 years - and the record is a bloody failure - in every nature of the phrase - WE are key in creating this mess and turning the world into a much more dangerous place.