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wonder if we will be singing the Syrian national anthem in all our upcoming sporting fixtures and observe a minutes silence? As for the Oil - apparently 2M barrels per day is being sold by IS - who is buying that and what are our Govt doing to stem the cash flow?

not surprising - both drivers are fairly even and when allowed to race there isn't much between them. question is - will Nico be allowed to race on equal terms for the championship next year - considering that Ferrari will most likely close the gap

for one in perfect working condition - GBP100 - thats how much i paid to get mine replaced.

and yet - it is ignored by all western powers......should makes us all ask questions - why?

Not everyone. The US DFA agreed that there are many bathists in ISIL with evidence that many others are not even religious - contradicts to what we have been told by the media - although we do now know that the Parisian nutters were not practicing muslims either -so something to think about. Fire getting bigger cause we (US) kept fuelling it with intelligence, with arms, training (Fact as confirmed by the former US DFA Head). All sounds novel - however based on the track record of the US, UK, France and others meddling with this region since 1990 - these (WE) are NOT the right people to help this country for the sake of its people (I don't by this false empathy when we don't give a toss about Palestinians, Egyptians, Libyans, Iraqis or even Saudis (outside of the puppet royal family) + others) - our powers to be have ulterior motives - perhaps its a land grab for a greater IS (israel) state. like said above - no track record of helping any other country that has been invaded and leaving it as a better place. Saddam Iraq was a paradise compared to what it is today and that is saying something cause the guy was a CIA propped tyrant. agree - its good for business - based on my earlier post about the business model. no, covered this already - havent seen anything in this thread or otherwise to change my mind, in fact the more i look into it the more i am convinced that its the wrong thing to do. dont see how killing thousands of innocent people thousands of miles away turning a country into rubble will help protect us at home. Our Govts are being disingenuous and we shouldn't fall for their BS.

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You and I can both agree on this - a smokescreen democracy - corrupt to its core - ineffective recommend watching the videos that i linked to - would be good to gather your views.

"Back in 2012 - US encouraged the formation of ISIL in eastern Syria to help weaken the Syrian regime - and helped co-ordinate arms transfers to them." Good discussion with the former head of US Defense FA for people that care. [video=youtube;-EghwCDNyiY]

when some of you tried to put me on the spot to suggest "solutions" - i put my views forward like you have put yours - thats fine. When I say, what are WE going to do about it - I actually mean the UK govt are actually planning in order to secure our borders and protect its citizens?

Sure - EVERYONE should to be treated equally and be held accountable for their own actions - else the UN and international law is simply a set of rules to protect the few (mainly rich) at the expense of the others - and to expect peace in the region or to put an end to radicalisation is a mere myth. Like religions of the past perhaps this phantom "war on terrorism" is the new religion to control the masses for the benefit of the few.......who knows.

Agree, in regards to specifically Israel the country though - we have to call a spade a spade - shame that the UN are not empowered to take appropriate action against their abuse of several UN resolutions and bring the powers to justice for their war crimes for a start. Would be nice to see all nutters dealt with equally, and these psychos are no different. Need more people like him to speak up and force a dialogue for peace in the region. https://youtu.be/7m2o-qYGI_A

in regards to the refugees - yes Cameron got it right from the get go and didn't get hoodwinked by merkel. Question still remains - what are we going to do about the radicalisation within the UK + how do we protect our borders? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34956795 Agree with Fallon that an attack on London (or UK) could be possible (was hardly 911) - however disagree that bombing a country 1000 miles away killing innocent lives and turning it into another palestine will somehow solve the problems back home - thats blind stupidity.

Why not do both tests?

Bingo

Thx for posting - Shame the mainstream media don't seem to promote this alternate expert view - that seems to explain the business model, the real players behind the game that we are all being forced to play. Would be good to have a debate around this too in the mainstream media Now the usual suspects will be frantically looking for a video (anything) to try and discredit mr okeefe and water down everything he said. Predictable Managed to find some info on the document he was referring to http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815 Will have a look at this later. See if what he says is true.

agree - shady however not uncommon. makes you wonder what HMRC and the authorities are doing about such cowboys

Thought that was Luton, Whitechapel (spot the irony), Finsbury Park

I am not a fan of the man - think he is responsible for bringing London to its knees with his movement against the motorists, having said that found it interesting at the reaction of what he said - as mentioned earlier - some (inc media) are super quick to sensationalise, quote out of context, draw conclusions, blow out of proportion in order to discredit not just the person but kill the conversation and shut down all debate - which i think is not healthy for a modern civil democracy. I watched the video clip and as much as I despise the guy I didn't get the impression that he was placing all the blame on blair and absolving the terrorists of any responsibility - he was placing SOME blair for creating the environment that act as nutter triggers.

have you read this thread completely?

Had a single box whifbitz on mine and the noise level was acceptable for a daily driver.

Agree - hard to know what to believe - certainly take what the media push out with a pinch of salt. What I normally do is follow the money trail - hence the business model that I posted earlier (seems to apply to this arms and resource race). And certainly don't believe people that are prepared to bomb a foreign land on humanitarian ground for their local security - that is illogical and its a blatant lie. This was interesting from Livingstone last night - cause and effect.

Oh really - so they are confirming to the usual nutters I missed that. Any link to that report.

Your question is bordering on being a rhetorical one - I don't want to get involved in a tittle tatter to and fro. Nice one - take things out of context, blow things out of proportion, ignore the sources of the reports, sensationalize some of the commentary to suit your agenda......I'm sensing some common traits here. I am here to have a discussion and debate with open minded people - not to play your silly games. . Enjoy your evening

It's a miracle that IS never seem to threaten or even mention Israel......that goes against everything we have been told about Islamic nutters over the decades. With regards to IS we have been led to believe that they make Al-qeada look like the Telly tubbies in comparison. So organized, well armed, they are everywhere - Bla Bla. surprised that none of you find that surprising.

What should be surprising is the double standards. Hence why I poo poo their fake empathy for the Syrians - these people will twist words, conjure up imaginative threats, leverage the media to a spinup hysteria, create divisions, fear, attacks - stoop to anything in order to achieve their goal - (business model = cash cow)