imi

another confused individual - unfortunately a trained killer who is transferring his skills to other nutters. Was he radicalised in Syria OR in the Netherlands?

As mentioned before for the hard to understand - anyone and everyone must be answerable for their crimes, be it Israel, Saudi, Palestine (whats left of it) OR whomever. the hypocrisy of our govts by turning a blind eye to these select few is sickening - not sure how civilized people can support such terrorist countries - they are equally worse as nutters like ISIS, Al-Qeada......

dont know much about this case however my understanding is that this is to do with revoking their british citizenship status of the wife and the two sons - neither of which have any known association with any former or current terrorist group. If that is the case - then what seems to be the issue?

punish - more like support - barbaric govts like Saudi, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait and Israel. We cant even hold Blair responsible for the Iraq travesty - what is it now, 6 years and still waiting for the chilcot report...

the language I use is fairly elementary english and yet you seem to struggle to follow my posts, bizarre.

I know you don't. the response was not just meant for you i'll amend it to reflect that

that is certainly true for us in the UK in regards to IS (Israel) - however the innocent Palestinians people would have a different view. Glad you admit that Israel do awful things - how come we don't denounce it - even publicly & politically? - had it been some other country we would have flattened it by now. If we are so humanitarian then why the discrimination in supporting the Syrians sufferers vs Palestinians? is all life not the same?

I would be surprised if IS was a creation of Starbucks, Amazon or Amstrad. However, if we look into the weapons manufactures, Military weapons suppliers, the private security firms and similar others then they have an invested interest in executing their business model. Peace is not profitable - so there is a conflict of interest. When we have the hypocrisy of western policy between some specific nations vs others - example how we treat IS (sorry Israel), Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain vs the others - its very clear that something is far from fair, humane, about doing the right thing. As we live in a globalized world the repercussions of our actions are global & local as well. Who is IS? We are led to believe that this group is highly organised, very well structured, resourced, etc however when I look at what happened in Paris - to me it seems like a bunch of nutters who decided to wrap themselves up with explosives to cause max damage to innocent lives. I dont see how exactly bombing Syria going to solve that? IS are quick to claim everything - they even claimed the actions of the nutter in martins place a year ago. we have been programmed to call it IS (Al-Qaeda before) when we see a black flag with what looks like arabic to us - even though most of us cant read arabic and certainly dont understand it. Lets assume that they are super well organised, etc - with the 1M unchecked refugees (mainly men) ALREADY now in Europe - by bombing ISIS in Syria - if they are so organised- wouldn't that unleash the enemy within. As for radicalised people within the UK - a majority seem to think that by dropping bombs on Syria we will somehow de-radicalize them? If these people were indeed radicalised in the UK - then isn't the UK responsible for exporting terrorism to Iraq / Syria? the whole thing is riddled with corruption, they show a photo of a drowned young boy to capitalise on our emotions to gain support for the refugees / they use the humanitarian excuse of the poor Syrian sufferers (while ignoring the suffering of generations of Palestinians, Saudis, Qataris, etc) to drop even more bombs on them. that is how stupid the powers to be think we are - unfortunately they are true. perhaps uncontrolled capitalism is the religion of the 21st century and we are all capitalists.

If you are suggesting that we have a failed political system + failed society then why are we hell bent on bombing the remaining un-democratic world into submission?

NHS / Police + other public services as seen as an expense - War / Military action on the other hand is great business and a repeatable model as proven over the last 25 years. Its the same formula - the characters change - the end result = same (riches for the few, misery for the masses). when you have some that simply look at people's lives as mere pawns to use and abuse all this is simply a formula to maximise power & return.

“Democracy is the government of the people, by the people, for the people”

This is an open forum rather than a 1:1 conversation - so feel free to NOT respond - that is your prerogative. my view is to choose not to ignore the elephant in the room. Yes - (there seems to be strong evidence to support it - as linked previously) - my post is there for all to see. This is your post that I had to react to as it was a gross misrepresentation that I will not tolerate. you have done this way too many times in this thread already and it needs to stop.

Here is my post - stop quoting out of context - its poor form. "Not surprising - entirely predictable like said earlier war is a super successful business model and there is as additional incentive in destabilising and targeting the "not so rich" Arab countries to further the greater Israel expansion project. To me it seems like Isis was a deliberate creation exaggerated to mobilise this next phase of an established and agreed plan. Sad day for our civil and humane society - feel sorry for the innocent losses already sustained and the many more innocent sustained moving forward both home and away - local and foreign only to guarantee a more dangerous world for our and future generations to inherit" if you continue to resort to quoting out of context, trying to decredit sources cause of what they said on a completely different issue (e.g Corbyn) - you simply lower the tone of the debate which is disappointing.

Possibly (who knows), as a result of the reading up I have been doing due to this thread and the links posted by all of you it does seem plausible. Who is? read my entire post - rather than quoting out of context to misrepresent and deflect....

Found this on Facebook.

Not surprising - entirely predictable like said earlier war is a super successful business model and there is as additional incentive in destabilising and targeting the "not so rich" Arab countries to further the greater Israel expansion project. To me it seems like Isis was a deliberate creation exaggerated to mobilise this next phase of an established and agreed plan. Sad day for our civil and humane society - feel sorry for the innocent losses already sustained and the many more innocent sustained moving forward both home and away - local and foreign only to guarantee a more dangerous world for our and future generations to inherit

Saddam was vetted by the CIA too. CIA =peacekeeper in the middle east especially "not so rich" Arab countries = really? in any case - we should be focussing on the situation within our borders FIRST and then within our neighbouring borders (EU). thats the main threat. bloody liars relishing a blood bath for the sake of power.

Thanks Scott - very informative - bookmarked for later.

Not particularly a fan of his - however here he is spot on

Ellis has one for sale.

LIVE TV, interesting? who provides that and is there an extra subs for it? As for the rest - I am assuming they are all streams from the cloud (various unknown sources) - do you know if Virgin is clamping down on such streams due to copyright, etc?

Very messy "believes the pollution impact of the bombing of Kosovo is still emerging, including the impact of the use of depleted uranium munitions; and calls on the Government to provide full assistance in the clean up of Kosovo."

heard on LBC that the draft proposal highlights including Turkey in the Schengen

In this case as it is about national security, counter terrorism & our citizen's safety let alone human rights abuse etc in their countries - the precedence has to be set by OUR Govt - expecting others to take the 1st step is simply passing the blame. These and other similar actions would resonate better with the civilized world rather than the usual ineffective military action that has failed us over the past 25 years.

Yes - agree - however I hope you can see that this excuse is not good enough. WE (our govt) are indirectly contributing to the promotion of radicalism by supporting these puppet countries.