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I was thinking about 315s on the rear but there simply isn't much available for 18 inch wheels... Thanks for the link bud. The search function has been playing up so much recently I just ended up giving up on it!

There is when it's an itch I have to scratch...

I have some new 18" Work wheels on order for my grey Supra. The rears are 11.5J ET52 and the fronts are 10J ET42. The car will be running circa 1xxx hp and I was wondering what size tyre owners with similar power are running?

I wouldn't be surprised if you were actually making more power than 415hp with such a lean piston melting mixture.

I accept that anomalies and exceptions to the 'usual' exist. However, the fact of the matter is very simple; not a single one of the manufacturers you have quoted in your post made any promise of a heritage program, then later appeared to renege on the same. If any other manufacturer were to act in a similarly callous manner as Toyota, I would not be surprised to see similar action, as proposed here, being taken by the respective owners' clubs.

Who said anything about the 850csi? I thought we were talking about the 840? In any event, granted the 850csi is a collectable car, sadly however it doesn't matter to BMW like something like a CSL or a classic "M" car would. I.e. traditional flagships. The fact of the matter is, this thread is about Toyota and their broken promises... I don't see how or why BMW has been dragged in to this conversation? I'm certainly not debating the new Z4 coupe.

No I haven't owned one, have you? I have a close friend who is a collector and he has boasted about Honda's support for the NSX (at every bloody given opportunity); further, having personally seen him restore various NSXs since 2010, I'm pretty sure he's right. As I said, if a E31 M8 existed, it would have been a completely different story and somewhat more comparable to this issue.

Good god

Same here bud.

I think you will find that Honda in fact has a heritage parts program for the NSX, which continues to produce most of its parts, with the exception of some interior bits of trim... I don't see your argument regarding the 8 series, perhaps if the twin turbo Supra didn't exist, Toyota would have a case for not creating a heritage program because the Supra would perhaps not have reached the heights it did.

That doesn't necessarily mean there will be no more ICE cars on the road far beyond 2035... I simply don't see the vast majority of the world following suit, the likes of; Africa, South America, Asia and Russia are unlikely to adopt electric vehicles this side of the century, let alone by 2035. Manufacturers understand this and will adapt to maximise profits in any eventuality. Don't let their "woke" front fool you though, they must appear in touch with the likes of Greta and her fellow tree hugging brethren because that is clearly the latest trend.

There is an entire thread somewhere (hopefully someone will be kind enough to provide the link) with quite an exhaustive list of the parts that cannot be replicated and are currently discontinued. I don't think the BMW 840 was the flagship at the time nor do I think it is an iconic car as some of the others mentioned in this thread. I'm sure others may disagree but I don't see why BMW should pay too much attention to non-"M" models. Now had the M8 concept gone in to production, I'm pretty sure it would have turned out differently...

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Do you have a crystal ball? Have you tried? Or have you given up before trying?

In the midst of all the noise, I sincerely hope you have a clearer idea as to what your lovely motor is worth in today's market.

This comment requires no further explanation, a blind person could see what they have planned next! The random parts they proposed to reproduce, to everyone's surprise, don't seem so random now... "Hi there, Thanks for getting in touch and for your interest for the Heritage Parts Project. The popularity for A70 and A80 parts will be monitored to help make a decision on other models at a later date. Thanks".

Correct, but I'm pretty sure the other manufacturers on my list are also commercial businesses? Yet they can find the budget to set up generous heritage programs. As aforementioned, those "constraints" also apply to the other manufacturers with heritage programs. Yet they can find the budget to still support their heritage models because they, unlike Toyota, appreciate that existing customers are as important as new customers. There was another thread posted not long ago with a seemingly exhaustive list of all the parts which could not be replicated and are currently discontinued. Sadly, not only did Toyota appear to ignore this, they proposed to produce parts that no one has actually asked for! Most the cars that I would deem desirable from that era have heritage programs... perhaps it would be easier if could give me an example of one which does not? Again, please see my responses above. If the likes of Honda and Nissan can do it, surely the largest car manufacturer can too.

There is a fundamental difference between paying lip service and actually taking action. As they say, actions speak louder than words. How long has this been outstanding for?

From its recent actions, and on occasions, the lack thereof, it is clear that Toyota is not really interested or committed to the Supra marque, specifically the MKIV. If we want to continue to drive and enjoy our beloved cars for many years to come, the burden of waving this flag falls on us, as sadly, it would appear that Toyota has abandoned ship and would rather relegate the MKIV to the history books. I will not let that happen, certainly not without a proverbial fight. If Toyota maintains its current position, our cars will, over time, become unroadworthy, it's as simple as that. So I feel that as proud owners of this wonderful beast from the east, it is down to us to show Toyota the light. All major manufacturers have some form of heritage program for their most prized contributions to the world of motoring, here is a short non-exhaustive list of some examples: 1. Audi 2. Porsche 3. Mercedes 4. Ferrari 5. Lamborghini 6. Nissan 7. Honda 8. Mazda 9. Ford 10. Hell, even GM! The Supra along with a handful of others, the likes of; the Nissan Skyline and the Honda NSX were all at the very pinnacle of the Japanese sports car market in the 90s. It would therefore be an absolute shame to simply lie idle whilst Toyota wilfully writes our cars off the road and into history. Providing the owners of this club, and the owners of any other Supra club around the world, are happy to fly their banners and wave their flags, my proposal is a simple yet powerful way to deliver our message and demonstrate that we are not just a bunch of 'internet warriors' who can be brushed under the carpet. My proposal is as follows: 1. A mutual convoy date is agreed with as many Supra clubs from around the world as feasibly possible, but I would suggest getting the US and Japan clubs on board, at the very least 2. A unanimous message setting out our demands is agreed amongst all the participating clubs 3. Ahead of the mutual date, these demands are set out in an open letter/email to the President of Toyota, copying in all the respective CEO's/MD's from all the other applicable jurisdictions, providing a deadline for response within 21 days 4. If Toyota reasonably accedes to our demands and sets an actionable plan in motion, the convoy is called off, or we simply have an alternative venue arranged 5. If Toyota fails to take the necessary action or fails to respond at all, the convoy goes ahead 6. If a convoy proves necessary, a selection of the finest MKIVs from each jurisdiction will drive to their local Toyota HQ with banners and signs with the agreed wording setting out our demands 7. It is paramount that everyone is onboard with the overriding notion that this is a 'peaceful protest' and we cannot force Toyota to comply with our demands, anyone found to be causing a breach of the peace will be ejected from the convoy and banned from the respective forum.

I'm conscious that we have somewhat hijacked the OP's thread. Sorry bud, we got caught up in the Toyota discussion! I'm going to create another thread and let's see whether; there is much interest, JB and co are ok with it, and if anything productive can come of it...

Did you call or email him?

I responded to your message, did you not receive it?