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Well I go back again stating my point once again that you cannot call for demise of MS coz sombody release something! It is just not possible! they are too big for you small complaints/ whinnings. Well I am not brainwashed or a sales rep for MS. All the various companies putting in benchmarks for performance , features and standards for their products against MS will only make MS get better!

What a bunch of whiner -- oh my god they dont comply with standards and their browser is slow!! Yeah but their software runs on thousands of hardware and software platforms including mobiles, that has been the philosophy of microsoft right from the beginning.

Just some sample for you guys: I was there at this CES 2008 (Microsoft Surface) New Games controller (or no controller) coming in the next 3-5 months for XBox (Natal)

Your arguments and assumptions about me are totally worng. I never said MS has every solutions to the problem. Neither does any other company Ubuntu, Linux, Apple, Google, IBM, Oracle/SUN/Java, Nokia, Sony etc etc. I came from a RedHat/Ubuntu background and I can tell you becoz Apple has release IPhone/IPod/IPad or Google released Chrome browser/OS, Plam release PalmOS or Nokia release Latest Symbian, Sony release PS3 nothings going to see the demise of the biggest software company in this world. Also most of all they had $50bn cash sitting in MS accounts and they are going very strong with the largest developer network and the largest set of partnerships with other platforms. Now a days you can develop full fledged PHP applications for the Cloud using Visual Studio 2010. Full language and runtime support for PHP is jus an example the way microsoft is steering towards.

Mate I never said that MS is the first to build these!! Check my msgs and read them again. You sort of suggested in your msg regarding visio that MS doesnt develop stuff but rather they buy. So I suggest a list of their products in the market. A sort of cloud computing is what you can achieve with mainframes not full virtualization. You have to read up on virulization and also about VMware and HyperV to get an understanding of what full virtualization I am talking about! Ha ha what a joke, I never forgot about Sharepoint. That is the heart of our business and I did not mention it as most of thepeople may not be familiar with this product as they are with databases, browser, office or desktop OSs. Mate probably you might have forgotten but the whole argument is about the demise of MS and non-compliance with standards. All I am doing is to argue that it is too big to fail becoz apple comes out with an IPhone (biggest share product in market) or becoz Google comes out with Chrome! You wikll not see the demise of MS due to non compliance with standards becoz lots of companies using their products dont give a toss about compliance with standards, they are just happy with the products MS offers.

Oh yeah really! So they just copy or buy stuff! What about databases? What about XBox? What about Mobile OSs? What about Live Spaces? What about Mesh? What about Cloud Computing? What about Virtualization? these are outside browser, desktop, server OSs, Office suits etc etc.

Paying for office suite is the least of the worries! MS dont have to change the office so drastically if it doesnt have to comply with the standards. As an eg, You can have a table of data in word or excel you can just copy + paste it across to outlook and send an email. But you can only do this across 2003 apps or only between 2007 apps. You cannot do it between 2003 and 2007. How do you embed a chart which is generated in Excel into an email say yahoo or something, you can just do it copy and paste in office + outlook? this helps companies at an intranet level to deal with communication in a better way. Standards dont make £1 difference to a company using a suite of MS tools.

Coz MS has the biggest share in the market for browser, desktop OS, Office apps and you are asking the elephant in the room to dance according to tickly, fickle and unclear decisions!

Exactly during development of IE5/6 time the stands were still in infancy and not clear. Everybody has their own interpretation of the standard. Just like double diffusers in F1. Yeah you can put in some standards but it will take some time for everybody to get their head around standards and companies wont wait and stop their devlopment of apps until the standards gets clear!

Office 2003 is not at all same as Office 2007 as Office 2007 is based on Open XML standards and now this gives terrible headache as the apps that generate reports in word 2003 dont work anymore in 2007 as the core technology is underneath has changed! And all this is not helping any company! We are redeveloping apps for some of our clients so that they can upgrade to office 2007 that is putting extra burden on them due to extra IT spend. All this is to comply to standards!?! So that an MS office 2007 document can be opened in Sun's OpenOffice?? What a junk of a standard and waste of time and money!

With IE most of the problem is due to the various security levels/zones. Some people reduce the level or use custom level that cause security breach. Also MS tries to please companies by providing backward compatibility with IE6 coz some of the companies are still using IE6 in their network. It took us 2 years to make one of our clients (DWP clients) to upgrade to IE7, they only did it 2 months ago. But this doesnt work like this with FF or Chrome. I experienced first hand how the plugin stopped working after upgrading to a new version of FF. If this doesnot matter then you can upgrade code all day long and do released (even minor versions) and comply to upcoming standards pretty easily. There has been a lot of confusion around the standards and also in the interpretation of the standards for some time (not now tho) but what happens to all the applications that are developed during that time and what happens to all the investment done by companies developing application that run at that point in time? If MS changes IE drastically complying with standards yeah it will make you, a free user very happy and also make the standards watch dog very happy. But what happens to millions of applications? What happens to companies who invested millions in developing their apps? It is just like telling BT to forget about the copper wire as it is not that good and efficient to transmit data and use optical fibre. yeah everybody knows that but there is already a big investment done sometime ago in putting copper wires! this is just a broad comparison.

Well there is also a malware blocking test report above that phishing report!

Very interesting thesis! Would be nice to see it in action if someone actually builds it!

Check NSS labs and their brower tests for security and phishing http://nsslabs.com/browser-security

Mate, blu-ray and HD-DVD are not complying to the same standard, if they are then you can play an HD-DVD media on a blu-ray. Blu-ray is solely SONY's standard and it won over HD-DVD coz they captured the big companies to use their format. Now bue-ray became the defacto standard for high definition video on DVDs. What is the standards organisation doing when HD media is coming out into the consumer market?? Always innovation goes ahead of standards!

So your point is all the web standards are set years before Microsoft Started devloping browsers and MS ignored it! What a dump point! Web standards are always evolving and they were behind MS most of the time in the past. Obviously due to the market share of MS and the corporate hostilities by the standards organisations MS ignored them. Btw coming to the javascript engine, Google has written a totally new one from scratch and as it being an open platform all the other browsers Mozilla, Opera and Safari are using the same Javascript rendering engine and are performing well. I praise google for putting in the benchmark and MS with catch it soon!

But MS release a patch for this in less than 5 days!

Yeah it is the same old story! MS ignored standards, but the organisations making standards are way behind MS development cycles and releases. Through more than 90% of the population on this earth is using IE, the standards companies (a bunch of NOISE (Netscape, Oracle, IBM, SUN etc) chose to go against MS all the time and MS has to re work and rebuilt to comply! Complying to standards has been very old reason to bash IE!

Btw I have been using Firefox before IE8 was release as IE7 frustrated me a lot and it was very sluggish and slow. Also used Chrome, Opera, Safari not great experience. I was not quite happy with earlier releases of chrome as it used to crash quite a bit, though the latest release of chrome is very good in terms of speed and browsing, I realised that some of our ajax apps we have are not running properly under chrome. Now I am using Windows 7 and IE8, I dont have to look back, everything works like a dream! Esp the multiple processes architecture of IE8 is very good, if some addon or some player on the page is faulty the whole set of tabs wont crash (like Firefox), just that tab is recovered and the remaining tabs can do their job parallely!

Check this out ... if any of you are interested about IE9 http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/11/18/an-early-look-at-ie9-for-developers.aspx

For normal web browsing, watching youtube, using these forums etc etc you can use any browser. But there are loads of applications on the internet that only run in IE (CRM, intranet applications, networking apps, outlook web access to name a few). Some of companies/banks only allow IE as their default browser inside the network. Also if you want most secure and heavily tested browser it has to be IE. There are loads of vulnarabilities in all the browsers Firefox having the most compared to Chrome, IE or Opera. But you dont hear much of a noise from the press when companies find vulnarabilities in other browser. Also if there are any vulnerabilities in IE MS releases a patch immediately and push it down to your machine through windows update which helps you keep yourself more secure. If it is other browser say firefox or safari, you dont know when you will get patched up! Yeah there are some people still using IE 5.5 or 6 and there are some vulneribilities but these are obsolete but Microsoft still try and patch them. Try using some 3-4 years old version of firefox and tell me how safe you are! If you are talking about speed, IE8 is pretty fast w.r.t GDI and Javascript. It is not as fast as Chrome yet but it is not too far behind. A general user would not notice much of a difference. Loads of companies relase activeX content/ addin for IE which are the real cause of sluggishness. One of the main culprit is a Java Runtime addin! Run without any addins and tell me if it is not fast!

Demise of MS!! Even apple cannot dare to say that! What apple does is not even 10% of what microsoft does as a software company! The demise of MS (which will never happen) can only be done if Sony somhow buys Google which inturn buys apple and Oracle (which bought SUN already) and then actually have money left to develop software that compete with Microsoft. Beware IE9 will be out in 6-8 month and will end the browser war for ever! I already checked the demos and the inhouse labs build and it is 60% faster than IE8! It is a very optimistic statement but from there starts MS's resurgance! Watch out!

Almost half this stuff is already there! Check the attached video

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